New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Why Glossy Screens Suck

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I am an owner of an Asus W3V. It's a decent little laptop, except for one thing that really bugs me. The glossy screen.

Now I don't know who thought it would be a good idea to make a screen so reflective that you can see your face in it, but it was a bad idea. Sure, in a perfectly dark room and at exactly the right viewing angle, it looks marvellous.

But at any other time, it's useless.

Most of the time I won't be using the laptop in the dark, which means that I can usually see a reflected outline of my face on the screen. If there is a light directly above you or somewhere behind you, readjusting the screen is necessary in order to prevent you burning out your retinas. And forget about doing any work in front of a window or in natural light. That is unless you prefer looking at the trees outside. It's a lot like looking into a mirror, only I wouldn't pay two grand for a mirror.

Yes, a glossy screen is not really the most practical addition to a device people will spend hours staring at each day. There's not many reasons I can think of as to why people continue to lap them up other than the fact that they are new, and that really there's no other choice.

See if you want to buy a widescreen laptop, it seems to me that the only choices you have in regards to the amount of varnish on your screen are either extreme gloss, or... extreme gloss.

However 15 inch laptops and those with the more traditional "square screens" still mostly seem to come with a normal diffuse display. Whether this is because these laptops are most likely bought by business users who actually want to see what's on their screen in a variety of environments and without constant re-adjustments, I don't know.

But what I would like to know is if there are any widescreen notebooks available that aren't covered in clearcoat. I don't want to have to make a ghetto laptop shade for everytime I want to see what I'm doing without having to visit an optometrist. Staring at this thing any longer than half an hour is enough to give me a headache.

I don't know if this is something endemic to the screen on my W3V, or if it's a propery of all glossy screens, but the viewing angles are just terrible and further compound the screen problem. Horizontal viewing angles are survivable, mostly because it still looks ok from the side, and because I usually look square at the screen. But if you plan to move around in your seat, change position, or get comfortable, as a normal human being does, this will require re-adjustment of the screen so you can once again see what you're doing. Failure to do so will result in an excessively bright region at one extreme of the screen, and an excessively dull region at the other.

Watching a DVD like a normal person is almost impossible for this reason. I usually like to sit down a few metres away from the screen and move around a bit to get comfortable. But forget doing that, because as soon as you move, you can't see anything! This is magnified by the fact that a smaller movement at a distance is equivalent to a much larger movement if you were right in front of the screen. I could probably see better by crawling under the desk.

I have to wonder if people will begin to tire of this marketing gimmick, although it seems to have become the new "standard" in LCD technology. Gloss = brightness, and brightness = better looking, at least in the shop. But I'd rather trade "brightness" for "useability", something that these fancy screens reduce.
post #2 of 15
I agree with you.

To make a comparison, on the big screen tv's the default settings on the tv's as shipped, OR and on the showroom floor are set on what people that are into Home Theater setups call "Torch" mode....

Really big issue on CRT based sets because of the real danger of burn-in of the phosphors, not so much an issue now so far as burn-in.... but the sets are set up on the show room floor to make them appear as bright as they can.... The brighter the better....

Glossy screens on a laptop is for the lack of a better word is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.

What idiot came up with that idea?

I'm with you... I don't like them.
post #3 of 15
Seconded, I have a 17inch wide screen toshiba but its not glossy thank god. I hate those screens aswell. I agree 100% with the OP, marketing gimick thats it.
post #4 of 15
I love them. you guys just love yourselves too much to stop looking at your reflections
post #5 of 15
I <3 glossy screens, oh well for you.
post #6 of 15
I've owned both glossy and non-glossy screened notebooks and I much preffer the glossy. I like to run at native 1680x1050 which is pretty high res for text. Since I do spend several hours a day staring at the screen reading text, I like that the glossy offers better contrast and a sharper picture. The only complaint I have is that my 17" screen could be a little brighter (especially since I only get about 50 min on full battery anyway). I also have very wide viewing angles on my glossy, so I'm guessing there might be significant quality differentials in the glossy segment as well. Take a trip down to Best Buy, look over a wider selection, and I think you might just change your mind about glossy's.
post #7 of 15
Dell's Latitude D620 is a 14.1" widescreen. Plus, you can buy it with a 1440x900 resolution screen. It is a matte screen, thankfully (I absolutely hate glossy screens for the same reasons you do). I just bought my boss a D620. It's a great notebook, escpecially if you're trying to get work done.
post #8 of 15
I don't think it's a gimmick at all. It does make the colors on the screen much richer than they are on a matte screen. As you can see a lot of people swear by them, however I completely agree with you and imagine that the reflection on them would be unbearable. I've noticed it on every glossy screen I've seen and am avoiding them at all costs.
post #9 of 15
i really like my glossy screen on my dell e1505. when i first ordered my laptop and was reading posts about the glossy screen i was a little worried about my decision. but now that i have it, i love it! whenever i go back to my desktop to pull of some files i kind of dont want to look at the screen, cuz the matte finish just isnt the same. yeah i can see myself sometimes but im not focusing on that. im doing what i want to do on the laptop so it doesn't bug me

its just a matter of taste with monitor selection in my eyes.
post #10 of 15
you know, they do make films you can stick over your glossy screens that maximize absorption of light and minimize reflection. check 3m or the other big companies. glossy screens come closer to desktop lcd monitors in vividness and brightness than notebook matte screens so far.
post #11 of 15
yep 3m screen films are probably a must unless you live in a cave or something.
post #12 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by themessenger500
you know, they do make films you can stick over your glossy screens that maximize absorption of light and minimize reflection. check 3m or the other big companies. glossy screens come closer to desktop lcd monitors in vividness and brightness than notebook matte screens so far.

Yes, but these likely have a similar effect tot he matte screens. After all, that's what matte screens do. Or do you know of a specific coste effective solution that is superior to the technology used by major notebook manufacturers? If you do, then please share. I'm sure someone here can make a tidy sum by hooking Dell up with this product.
post #13 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by drnihili
Yes, but these likely have a similar effect tot he matte screens. After all, that's what matte screens do. Or do you know of a specific coste effective solution that is superior to the technology used by major notebook manufacturers? If you do, then please share. I'm sure someone here can make a tidy sum by hooking Dell up with this product.

That's exactly the point; the effect is similar to a matte screen. If you have a glossy screen and hate it or the lappy you want only comes with a glossy screen, you can put the film on it to make it more matte-like.
post #14 of 15
Glossy screens differ in quality, viewing angles has nothing to do with the glossy thing. You may have a glossy screen with superior viewing angles and a matte one with poor ones.
The thing I wanted to add on this thread is that not all glossy screens are that 'glossy'
My gf's acer screen is very glossy and I really get that headache after 30-60m of READING. My fujitsu screen while still a glossy one never has this problem.. actually I'm working right now on the day light and can't see any reflection in it (although when the screen is off it will turn to a real mirror). The problem is not in the 'glossy' part itself. The problem is that lcd makers are opting for the cheapest technique to make their lcds look glossy.
post #15 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperHuman
Glossy screens differ in quality, viewing angles has nothing to do with the glossy thing. You may have a glossy screen with superior viewing angles and a matte one with poor ones.
The thing I wanted to add on this thread is that not all glossy screens are that 'glossy'
My gf's acer screen is very glossy and I really get that headache after 30-60m of READING. My fujitsu screen while still a glossy one never has this problem.. actually I'm working right now on the day light and can't see any reflection in it (although when the screen is off it will turn to a real mirror). The problem is not in the 'glossy' part itself. The problem is that lcd makers are opting for the cheapest technique to make their lcds look glossy.

Yup. Here's a site that explains anti-reflective technology being incorporated in modern glossy screen design:

http://www.screentekinc.com/pixelbright-lcds.shtml

The article states that modern glossy coatings are capable of aiding in all areas that are typical weak points for matte screens. So I'm guessing that manufacturers of poor quality glossy screens probably use old tech, or maybe no LCD coating at all.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Notebook Forums - General