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Why is fruit so expensive???

post #1 of 34
Thread Starter 
I was just looking on Apple's website looking at thier laptops and comparing thier specs to others and I don't understand why the Powerbooks are SO expensive!! I have never owned a Powerbook and I'm not bashing the laptop in any way but I'm just curious why they are so expensive.. Thanks for the info!!

post #2 of 34
easy apple is the only one who makes them, so no comp, plus (getting into econ) but apples are the "cool" laptops and product differentiation makes them more expensive because people are willing to pay more. same for business and IBM you pay to know that you have a "business machine"
post #3 of 34
Because youre not just buying a computer. Youre buying a BRAND.
post #4 of 34
That question is related to why Apple remains so small. Its not they don't have a good product, their machines are very good. Nor that they couldn't expand if they wanted to. They have the know-how, and I am sure they could get the financial support to do so.

Nope, the reason is there's only so many people willing to pay for what Apple sells. And they are willing to pay what Apple charges. If they raised the price, they'd lose business. If they lowered the price, they'd probably gain some business at first but then lose more because their product would no longer be tres chic and it would still be too expensive for the mass market. So, they've found the sweet spot that lets them make the machines they want to make the way they want to make them.

Personally, I admire that business strategy. Financially, I can't afford it.
post #5 of 34
Your paying for very good industrial design.
post #6 of 34
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies everyone. I never have heard a bad comment about Apple's so I've always assumed that they are really good machines. One aspect that caught my eye was the processor clock speed. Apple's G4 Powebook has a 1.33 Ghz G4 processor and sells for $3,000.


Let me put this question on the table: Does the G4 processor have a totally different architecture than IBM laptops? Also, is the Powerbook the best performing (as in speed and graphics) notebooks in the industry?


I just can't see dropping 3G's on a laptop because it looks cool. I'm looking for preformance and value when I get my lappy!
post #7 of 34
Thread Starter 
Yeah I agree klthomas. They do look very cool!
post #8 of 34
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Originally Posted by 411sponge
I just can't see dropping 3G's on a laptop because it looks cool. I'm looking for preformance and value when I get my lappy!
it's not just the look, it's also usability, stability and feeling. plus there are a lot of ppl who don't care too much about a few more benchmark numbers.
post #9 of 34
you buy Macs for usability?!

I specifically didn't buy a Mac because all they can do is sit there and look nice.

Can't do any programming on them, next to NO games out are playable on Macs, and if they are, you have to pay more money for the Mac version, and they're much slower. My experience comes from using G4s for the past few years at my school.

So tell me, just how is it that a Mac is more usable?
post #10 of 34
Oh hey and before you say that Macs are more stable, I'd like to mention that every single period we would have several people crashing out of Flash MX and Photoshop multiple times. I can't say I've had that problem with a properly built PC before.

I cannot tell you just how AGGRAVATING it is to lose HOURS of work at a time because the damn thing keeps crashing. What's even more aggravating is that it won't admit it! It doesn't say that it "crashes" or anything, it'll say that the program "UNEXPECTEDLY QUIT". YEAH OKAY WELL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!

I shouldn't have to reach for apple-S every five seconds! I shouldn't have to be distracted from my work by having to stress about losing my work!

[/RANT!!!]
post #11 of 34
The architecture is different. The processors are completely different then pc processors. It's not like a difference between amd and intel. Totally different, like playstation vs. gamecube difference.
And they are very useful for doing grpahic design, architecture/industrial work, and also music production. Just take a look at most artists/sound engineers, most use Mac.
I use my sager for music, but I'd love to try a mac for music, just can't afford something I'd use just for music and such.
post #12 of 34
The primary reasons a lot of artists use Macs are:
1 - Apple has targeted that market heavily in marketing. They placed a lot of machines in schools that teach art. Guess what, if you learn on a system, you'll probably stick with that later. Also, once a school settles on a system, with the usual budget concerns, they are not going to change over either.
2 - Typically, artists don't have a clue about computers and don't want to. They want a machine that works with little or no training and with little or no need to tweak, adjust, etc. Apple developed basic art programs that worked quite well with little or no fuss.

Those arguments were especially true prior to 1990, even up to maybe 1996, when there was a lot more difference than there is today. The stereotypes have remained. The people that learned on Macs have stayed with Macs. Those that learned on PCs, stayed with PCs. I would hazzard there's been less than a 10% defection rate. About the only people that do change do so because they go to work for a company that uses the other system and its a matter of remaining employed to shift.
post #13 of 34
They could drive themselve sup market shares if there product was so revolutionary people changed there wants to NEEDS i mean imagine powerbooks with 10 hour battery life weighing 4 pounds and powerful enough to top pc counterparts and best of yet its cheaper! if you could produce thes ekinds of figures then suddenly the software compatibility isnt such a problem anymore
post #14 of 34
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Can't do any programming on them
that'd be wrong... why cant you? you think they dont make compilers for mac? c'mon... besides, all you need to code is a text editor... besides, you can always load gentoo onto it... (yes, you can load linux)

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Your paying for very good industrial design.
i dunno if i'd say industrial... its a nice design and im sure theyre built well... but industrial just dosent fit in my mind...
post #15 of 34
I just wish they were PC compatible, because they could capture a part of the market who loves their manufacturing and design but not the software/OS. I would love a 15.2 powerbook with XP on it.
-T-
post #16 of 34
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Originally Posted by StormX02
Oh hey and before you say that Macs are more stable, I'd like to mention that every single period we would have several people crashing out of Flash MX and Photoshop multiple times. I can't say I've had that problem with a properly built PC before.

I cannot tell you just how AGGRAVATING it is to lose HOURS of work at a time because the damn thing keeps crashing. What's even more aggravating is that it won't admit it! It doesn't say that it "crashes" or anything, it'll say that the program "UNEXPECTEDLY QUIT". YEAH OKAY WELL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!

I shouldn't have to reach for apple-S every five seconds! I shouldn't have to be distracted from my work by having to stress about losing my work!

[/RANT!!!]
you are right in that Macs have less developers making programs for them, but that's not really what I meant by usability. I mean specifically their OS provides better user experiences than Windows. again this might be subjective as everyone has different points of view.

i agree with you that on both systems there are softwares that don't work, and the latest Windows is actually very stable. but the problem with Windows is it has to support a lot more hardware than the Macs do, so there're far more chances the system will crash due to hardware related problems. i can't say Apple would do better than Microsoft if they ever had to support the same range of devices, but in reality Macs don't really have a lot of hardware related problems Windows has.
post #17 of 34
Apple doesn't want to expand. They are happy with their place in the world. They build a great little computer system. And it is a system. You cannot separate the machine from the OS, they are like a hand in a glove. Yeah, you can load nearly anything into nearly anything else but its the symbiosis of the machine and OS that makes Apples what they are. The primary reason they work as well as they do is because they only support Apple peripherals (well, there are others but in those cases, its the peripherals that have included compatiblity into their products not the other way around). The MacIntosh line started when Steve Jobs was given a presentation by the folks at PARC back in 1979 on WIMP (Windows, Icons, Menus, Pointers). They tried to do it themselves with the LISA computer but it had problems. Finally, Jobs hired some of the PARC staff and the result was the Mac. Its still the same language (a derivative of SmallTalk 80) though greatly evolved. The basic concept was to develope a very tight system with the hardware doing as much of the work as possible, that meant the hardware had to be very compatible. That limits flexibility. It also means there can't be a lot of messing around with the OS by the users. So, Apple doesn't care. They make the machines they make and their users love them. What could be better. MicroSoft/Intel/IBM went the other way, the everything works with everything, market share is priority, "we must conquer the world" mentality. Their users are generally unhappy, because although MS is very flexible, to be so requires it be massive and that means there's lots and lots of problems. In Windows, the software does the lion's share of the work, the machines are just platforms. So you have Apple OS of what, maybe 40 MB versus Windows with 200 MB. Right there you see a big performance difference. There's 160 MB of RAM that can be used for doing work rather than managing hardward and plugging holes and keeping out the demons.

Don't get me wrong, I use Windows, mostly because I use AutoCAD and its no longer available in Apple. Plus I like to muck about with my machines. I like to take them apart and see if I can make them better. That is a cardinal no-no with Apple. You take what you get. Period. The company will decide what's good and what's not and you just stick to your work. In the end, that attitude is what I don't like about Apple. You often think of Apple as the rebels and the MS/IBM/Intel combine as the big empire controlling everything. Not so, Apple is the most controlled system out there, you do it their way or you don't do it. On the other hand, the MS/Intel paradigm is total chaos. You can do anything you want.

There's pros and cons to both sides. But that's the point, there are not sides, just different faces. Apple does what they do and they do it well. They don't want to be MS/Intel. Funniest thing is that the old divide was Apple versus IBM (with MS-DOS) and now IBM makes the chips for Apple, they are best buds.
post #18 of 34
Fruits are expensive because there is a labor shortage in America.

Oh wait, is this not what we are talking about here?
post #19 of 34
<rant>Ill just say this. Real world mac info here!! Ill say this now. There is NOTHING I cant do on a pc, that I could do on a mac. I use photoshop, and adobe premire, and record music day in, and day out. On a Yup PC!! Do I crash all the time? NO. All my windows machines are rock steady reliable. Intels, and Amds. The thing I tire most of, is the hollywood sensationalism about these colorful pieces of crap. They make it seem like every other house has a imac sitting in the kitchen. Rofl. I can think of 3 people I know, and they are fairly remote from me. Not really close friends or anything that have a mac. I run a forums with over 700 people on them. Not one of them has a mac. Hollywood quit trying to fool everyone into thinking that mac is da chit. Its not, they are over priced, under powered, and a waste of deskspace. </phew where did that come from? Rant done> Lol
post #20 of 34
that clip is hilarious.
thanks,
-T-
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