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WQXGA notebooks?

post #1 of 20
7/1/06 at 11:59am
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Having grown comfortably used to a WUXGA display (1920x1200) I was wondering if any manufacturer makes or has announced a WQXGA (25601600) laptop yet?

Yes, you get used to the space and soon want more.

1024x768 feels like keyhole surgery, now.
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post #2 of 20
7/1/06 at 1:15pm
Sure you can get an external 30" monitor with that resolution.

No I doubt notebook manufacturers would release that type of resolution, it would be too small for too many people, it wouldnt sell.
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post #3 of 20
7/2/06 at 7:15am
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You can get an external monitor, yes, but its starting to need two DVI connectors fora reasonable refresh rate, which laptops typically don't have. Or, I'm not aware of any which do. Does anyone here run a high resolution panel from their laptop already?

I don't get the "too high" resolution argument. Sure, people said that at the time when 1920x1200 came out. But that was three or four years ago and, as I said, people who want and need that sort of resolution have had time to get to like it.

My old laptop has 1920x1200, which is just the widescreen 16:10 version of the even older 4:3 1600x1200. Its pretty sad that threee years on when its time for replacement, its not possible to find something better - and fairly hard to find something that is even as good.

As to the physical size, its not like you would need a 30" laptop.

Hmm lets see,current one has a 17" screen:

1920^2 + 1200^2 = 5126400
sqrt=2264

2560^2 + 1600^2 = 9113600
sqrt=3018

17 * 3018 / 2264 = 22.6

Okay, maybe the world is not ready for a 22 inch laptop. Need to wait until programs are more scalable and designed for a wider range of pixel densities.
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post #4 of 20
7/2/06 at 2:03pm
have you ever seen this article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T221

it's no longer made, i think, but on a 22.2" screen, they got 3940x2400 (wquxga, double wuxga in each direction). that works out to 4528 pixels diagonally, so 204 ppi, and at that density, you could get your resolution in a sub-15" screen.

<-- i think that's what my eyes would be doing at that pixel density though, or maybe shrivel up like this -->
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post #5 of 20
7/2/06 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by ChrisLilley
You can get an external monitor, yes, but its starting to need two DVI connectors fora reasonable refresh rate, which laptops typically don't have. Or, I'm not aware of any which do. Does anyone here run a high resolution panel from their laptop already?

I don't get the "too high" resolution argument. Sure, people said that at the time when 1920x1200 came out. But that was three or four years ago and, as I said, people who want and need that sort of resolution have had time to get to like it.

My old laptop has 1920x1200, which is just the widescreen 16:10 version of the even older 4:3 1600x1200. Its pretty sad that threee years on when its time for replacement, its not possible to find something better - and fairly hard to find something that is even as good.

As to the physical size, its not like you would need a 30" laptop.

Hmm lets see,current one has a 17" screen:

big 3018.8739622581132196226113208392
smaller 2264.1554716935849147169584906294

1920^2 + 1200^2 = 5126400
sqrt=2264

2560^2 + 1600^2 = 9113600
sqrt=3018

17 * 3018 / 2264 = 22.6

Okay, maybe the world is not ready for a 22 inch laptop. Need to wait until programs are more scalable and designed for a wider range of pixel densities.
I'd like to see what that would look like on one of the 19" LCDs since you can now get those on a laptop. Might not be all that bad.
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post #6 of 20
7/2/06 at 3:25pm
my little chinese eyes will have hell of a lot of trouble reading text on the screen; even harder trying to read chinese characters. ._.

Toshiaki's post fortune: if you can read this, you are too close to your screen.

-Toshiaki
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post #7 of 20
7/2/06 at 6:07pm
Pixel size:
17" WQXGA = 317.1 E-7
19" WQXGA = 396.1 E-7
15.4" WUXGA = 462.6 E-7
15.4" WSXGA+ = 604.2 E-7
15.4" WXGA = 1,041 E-7
(square inches)

So, considering you are buying a new screen, it will be...
19" WQXGA to 17" WQXGA = 20% smaller
15.4" WUXGA to 17" WQXGA = 31.5% smaller
15.4" WXGA+ to 19" WQXGA = 34.5% smaller
and so on.

btw, i've written a basic calc (excel) sheet. if anyone wants...
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post #8 of 20
7/3/06 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by Toshiaki
my little chinese eyes will have hell of a lot of trouble reading text on the screen; even harder trying to read chinese characters. ._.

Well, no. Do you have a lot of trouble reading printed chinese characters, on paper? They are printed at 600, 1200, 2400 dpi ...

Its the size, not the resolution. At a given size, a very high resolution will just give you a clearer, more legible, more printed paper-like experience for characters that are the same height (in millimetres or whatever) that you are currently used to.
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post #9 of 20
7/3/06 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by yee245
have you ever seen this article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T221

it's no longer made, i think, but on a 22.2" screen, they got 3940x2400 (wquxga, double wuxga in each direction). that works out to 4528 pixels diagonally, so 204 ppi, and at that density, you could get your resolution in a sub-15" screen.

I hadn't seen the article - thanks for the pointer. I was aware that there were screens that big, though - someone I know at Canon Research has adisplay with that resolution. I think theirs is the Iiyama AQU5611DTBK, also a 22 inch display
http://www.lcdnfo.com/html/Iiyama_AQ...d-monitor.html

and its driven (over four DVI links) from a Matrox Parhelia HR256
http://www.matrox.com/mga/workstatio...cial/hr256.cfm

But hey, I wasn't asking for a 9 megapixel laptop, just a relatively modest 4 megapixel one

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Originally Posted by yee245
<-- i think that's what my eyes would be doing at that pixel density though, or maybe shrivel up like this -->

Only if you tried to keep the text at the same pixel height, rather than the same point size or physical height.
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post #10 of 20
7/3/06 at 3:29pm
Backlighting on laptops are attenuated for power conservation, and are not in the same class as those on desktop LCDs. It is therefore not wise, both economically and practically, to use a high end panel in a mobile configuration.
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post #11 of 20
7/3/06 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by awingedpig
Backlighting on laptops are attenuated for power conservation, and are not in the same class as those on desktop LCDs. It is therefore not wise, both economically and practically, to use a high end panel in a mobile configuration.

Well, what is considered high end shifts over time. The panel on my old laptop was high-end once. And, its rare that I see a desktop panel that looks as good, in fact.
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post #12 of 20
7/3/06 at 11:21pm
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Originally Posted by ChrisLilley
Well, what is considered high end shifts over time. The panel on my old laptop was high-end once. And, its rare that I see a desktop panel that looks as good, in fact.

my desktop's old lcd used to be top of the line. it could accurately display 16, count that, 16! shades of grey... but now the standard's something like 256 shades... or something... it's good enough for normal usage, but i definitely think newer panels are often much better, and definitely a lot cheaper for even the same quality...
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post #13 of 20
7/3/06 at 11:49pm
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Originally Posted by ChrisLilley
Well, no. Do you have a lot of trouble reading printed chinese characters, on paper? They are printed at 600, 1200, 2400 dpi ... Its the size, not the resolution. At a given size, a very high resolution will just give you a clearer, more legible, more printed paper-like experience for characters that are the same height (in millimetres or whatever) that you are currently used to.
nono. i meant if chinese text was displayed on wqxga resolution on typical 15.4 and 17 inch laptop monitors. windows default text size is 96 dpi and it is already small enough on my 15.4 inch wuxga monitor and at wqxga it will be much smaller. sorry sorry that i didn't specify. Toshiaki's post fortune: be modest and resolve your mistakes. -Toshiaki
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post #14 of 20
7/4/06 at 12:17am
but you can always increase the dpi setting so that it will be correctly calibrated.

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actually, you should leave it at the right setting. here, i leave it at 98dpi (the default is 96), which is the right value for my screen (15,4" WXGA).
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post #15 of 20
7/4/06 at 2:12am
I dont like changing the default dpi setting. It screws up the formatting. I've never been happy when I've fiddled with it.
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post #16 of 20
7/4/06 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by drlouis
I dont like changing the default dpi setting. It screws up the formatting. I've never been happy when I've fiddled with it.

I agree, on Windows OS up to XP,they can theoretically change the dpi but in practice its a bad idea. IE (if anyone still uses that) needs to have a specialhack to stop it destroyingthe graphics quality at any dpi other than 96, and lots of programs have formatting issues with menus etc.

Vista is supposed to fix that and be truly scalable. We shall see.

That is what I was referring to when I said
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Need to wait until programs are more scalable and designed for a wider range of pixel densities.
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post #17 of 20
7/4/06 at 10:57pm
in vista the dpi scaling works properly, so it would be good for those of you with hi res laptops
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post #18 of 20
7/5/06 at 1:39am
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Originally Posted by doggie96
in vista the dpi scaling works properly, so it would be good for those of you with hi res laptops
not to get off topic, but did they also get Palladium worked in? cuz if they did, you wont see me running Vista.... ever.
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post #19 of 20
7/5/06 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by drlouis
not to get off topic, but did they also get Palladium worked in? cuz if they did, you wont see me running Vista.... ever.
(for those wondering, explanation here. Another DRM, featuring encrypted, non-capturable hi-definition content which is actually decrypted by the monitor.) No guarantee it will take off, especially since it surely makesthe monitors more expensive. And I thought the big footprint avatar meant you were runing Gnome on GNU/Linux?
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post #20 of 20
7/5/06 at 7:08am
^Don't forget about TPM as well.
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