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post #21 of 231
7/8/06 at 1:32pm
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Hot huh, seems to agree with the new cnet review of the m9700. So do you think you'll get a cooler for it?

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I'm kind of bummed to hear it runs hot, part of the reason I went with the m9700 over the 7700 was concerns about heat and longevity.

Can you tell where the heat is coming from, the CPU or GPUs? The CPU is in the upper left corner (looking at keyboard as if using), the GPUs vent just to the right of the middle of the back of the unit.

First thing I'm going to do is take the heatsinks off and see if they use thermal pads like they have in the past. If they do I'll be applying AS5 to hopefully limit the heat.

HH, you are not going to be happy, it actually feels (to the human touch) hotter then the m7700... Like i said before, the m7700 is loaded with system fans, this system just has the basic notebook fans.

the front part, from the keyboard to the end, remains relativity cool, but under the keyboard to the back of the system gets hot, hotter then the m7700.

I purchased the targus cool pad today, the one with 2 fans and 4 port USB hub. They claim this is for laptops up to 17”, but it is rather small. I placed it where the most heat is generated, but my CPU stem is still over 65C under max load (a bit high eh?), idle temps drop to low 50’s. before the pad, the idle temps were in the mid to upper 50's. I like just got this cooler pad, and im watching it now, my CPU temp just dropped to 48, lowest iv seen it.

I am working some other issues now, thing I going to press forward with reloading the OS.

Gaming has been great though!
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post #22 of 231
7/8/06 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Kazkek
How is the touchpad?

Yeah yeah! Tell tell!

Rather nice i say. the left and right click buttons are one big button, touch the left side for left click, right for right, ect.

there is that anoying scroll bar onthe right side of the touch pad, this gets anoying to me becuse i keep accentently sliding to this.

the "new" thing is the quick launch buttons. (last picture in OP) they are not actaully buttons, you just touch them, like you would touch a touch screen, and they launch. Same function as a regular button, but kind of cool (maybee the aliens gave them this idea)
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post #23 of 231
7/8/06 at 1:48pm
Ok.. I just remember cnet giving the touchpoad a bad review because it is glossy, but I will take your word for it that is is nice.
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post #24 of 231
7/8/06 at 1:51pm
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Can you tell where the heat is coming from, the CPU or GPUs? The CPU is in the upper left corner (looking at keyboard as if using), the GPUs vent just to the right of the middle of the back of the unit.

Sorry, some how i missed that. the majority of the heat is right where the GPU's are.
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post #25 of 231
7/8/06 at 1:53pm
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Ok.. I just remember cnet giving the touchpoad a bad review because it is glossy, but I will take your word for it that is is nice.

ya i remember reading that too. uhh, the touchpad is glossy, same color as the rest of the laptop, but it makes no differance in use as far as i see.

i think they got a little confused in that review with the touchpad and the "touch pad" quick launch buttons. they are a bit differentthen a normal button, but i like them !
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post #26 of 231
7/8/06 at 3:45pm
How good is the 2.6 m9700 with running WoW, vent and AIM at the same time? Does it make it slower? Does the system start up and boot down pretty fast? How fast is the mobile 2.6 processor?
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post #27 of 231
7/8/06 at 3:54pm
Very nice rig marker. The temps do sound kind of high to me, but look at what that thing is packin. My guess is to save time they used the thermal pads which just don't cut it in my opinion on such a high end machine. Like HH I would have to redo with AS5 but in a lot of cases the heatsinks are designed to use them and they don't make proper contact when not using the pads (hope that isn't the case here). I know the 5500 has this issue. Thanks for the review and get some more pics up when you get a chance, that thing looks great. Enjoy it Marker .
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post #28 of 231
7/8/06 at 6:49pm
Congrats, marker. Very excited for you and all the other folks getting your new systems!
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post #29 of 231
7/8/06 at 8:33pm
Hey HH, if you do a AS5 job on the m9700 can you please post a tutorial with pics for those of us with less hardware cooling savvy
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post #30 of 231
7/8/06 at 10:07pm
Is it possible to use the AS5 with the pads? get double the cooling?
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post #31 of 231
7/8/06 at 11:04pm
The pads are basically thin sheets of crushable metal, kind of like soft foil. They crush a bit when put between the chip and the heatsink to provide decent contact, but Arctic Silver is superior for heat transmission by a long shot if it'll work with the heatsink.

I wasn't aware the 5500 heatsink wouldn't accept AS5. I think it had a shared heatsink between the cpu and gpu, so maybe that was the issue.

It looks like the cpu, gpu's and even the sli chip all have their own heatsink/heat tubes to the fans. The gpu heatsinks cover the memory on the vid cards too, don't know if it would be a good idea to use AS5 on those... Lots of circuitry right there.

I noticed in the hothardware review pics, that the engineering samples appeared to have AS5 on them. In the one picture of the vid cards and cooling disassembled, you can see gray on the gpu. Looks like AS5 to me. That review didn't mention heat, so maybe between the engineering samples and the production version they switched to thermal pads... Won't know for sure until I get mine.

I'm not real happy to hear the vid cards are locked, and the bios is slim on features also... I was looking forward to easily tweaking the vid cards a bit.
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post #32 of 231
7/9/06 at 2:20am
I believe the problem was with the clearance on the gpu when the pad was removed. I think you had to use a dremel to clear some of the mounting hardware. Again this is from memory, and I don't claim to have a great one, lol.

HH the thing I'm thinkin of was from another site, member name fizzle. This was a problem reported from him.

Just something to think of if you plan to do this and don't have some extra pads to replace the originals (geared towards those that have less experience with hardware).
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post #33 of 231
7/9/06 at 3:55am
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Originally Posted by DFrey89
How good is the 2.6 m9700 with running WoW, vent and AIM at the same time? Does it make it slower? Does the system start up and boot down pretty fast? How fast is the mobile 2.6 processor?

Did a 2.6 GHz processor already get released?

Anyway, the only software other than firewall/anti-virus that I got installed today was WoW.

Max settings, meaning every option set to maximum, I am getting about 50-52 FPS in Ironforge. Looks so much better than on the 3790 (in sig below) that I played on before.

Haven't raided yet, and don't use vent (I use TeamSpeak). Neither TS nor Vent should really make any performance difference.
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post #34 of 231
7/9/06 at 12:31pm
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I believe the problem was with the clearance on the gpu when the pad was removed. I think you had to use a dremel to clear some of the mounting hardware. Again this is from memory, and I don't claim to have a great one, lol.

HH the thing I'm thinkin of was from another site, member name fizzle. This was a problem reported from him.

Just something to think of if you plan to do this and don't have some extra pads to replace the originals (geared towards those that have less experience with hardware).

I think fizzle's issue was that he ordered the x1600 vid card to upgrade from the 6600go he had originally received with the m5500. If I remember right, the heatsink hit one of the capacitors so he had to dremel a bit of it off for clearance.

I do know that replacing the pads with AS5 will most likely void your warranty though, so think twice before doing any mods.
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post #35 of 231
7/9/06 at 12:44pm
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Well, regarding heat, i am not concerned with the GPU's. they stay rather cool =) in fact, they run cooler then the CPU (go figure....). i havent seen it spike past 65C

the CPU on the other hand runs HOT, but i looked it up, and normal operation for the Turion processors is high 60" low 70's under max load, and thats about what i get. Max temp is around 100C, but thats "pull the plug NOW!" hot.

I am thinking about adding Arctic Silver to the processor, but not right now, i have not had any heat "show stoppers" yet =)
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post #36 of 231
7/9/06 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by marker01
the CPU on the other hand runs HOT, but i looked it up, and normal operation for the Turion processors is high 60" low 70's under max load, and thats about what i get. Max temp is around 100C, but thats "pull the plug NOW!" hot.

Wow, I thought the whole point of the mobile processor was to run cooler. Seems to be as hot as a desktop processor in the m7700. Tell me, does all the heat come out of the bottom or the back?
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post #37 of 231
7/9/06 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by marker01
Well, regarding heat, i am not concerned with the GPU's. they stay rather cool =) in fact, they run cooler then the CPU (go figure....). i havent seen it spike past 65C

the CPU on the other hand runs HOT, but i looked it up, and normal operation for the Turion processors is high 60" low 70's under max load, and thats about what i get. Max temp is around 100C, but thats "pull the plug NOW!" hot.

I am thinking about adding Arctic Silver to the processor, but not right now, i have not had any heat "show stoppers" yet =)

What software are you using to test the temps?

The gpu's should be cool due to the underclocking, but when you said where the heat was coming from it sounded like the gpu's. They're under the keyboard, the cpu is in the upper left corner and has it's own dedicated fan/heatsink.

Sounds like cool and quiet might be a good thing to leave on...
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post #38 of 231
7/9/06 at 1:29pm
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Wow, I thought the whole point of the mobile processor was to run cooler. Seems to be as hot as a desktop processor in the m7700. Tell me, does all the heat come out of the bottom or the back?

The reason for the mobile processor is for battery life, but I did think it would run much cooler than the 7700 line with the desktop processors. The heatsink/fan must not be as robust as the 7700 line.

Hopefully some AS5 will help the thing shed heat.
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post #39 of 231
7/9/06 at 3:38pm
9,957 is a monster score on 3D05! How is the battery life with the heat the CPU is generating? Does it run 2.5 hours?
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post #40 of 231
7/9/06 at 5:08pm
Well, I just saw this thread...looks like I'm coming in late. Very awesome laptop! Thanks for taking the time to review it and trying to answer everyones questions about it. We have all been trying to wait patiently for one of our members to get one.

Congrats
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