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post #41 of 231
Since the GPU might be the one heating up. I dont know if it is possible, but could you get a cooling and also take the gpu plate off and make some 2mmx5cm holes in it to get airflow into it?

And if dirt is a problem then why not some fabric in it to clean the air going into it. I am thinking of material that is used in fish tank pumps for cleaning.

I think this might solve some heat issues.
post #42 of 231
Now I'm getting impatient... Where's my lappy?!!! *twitches* 2-3 more days!!!

Seriously, it looks great. Great pics Witchdoctor!
post #43 of 231
Congrats man! Pics look great! Show us some more when you have a chance! Thanks for the review as well!
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What software are you using to test the temps?

The gpu's should be cool due to the underclocking, but when you said where the heat was coming from it sounded like the gpu's. They're under the keyboard, the cpu is in the upper left corner and has it's own dedicated fan/heatsink.

Sounds like cool and quiet might be a good thing to leave on...

Well, the heat that feels hot to the human hand (or your lap!) is mostly generated where the GPU’s sit, dead smack in the middle of the notebook. But when monitoring temps, they are actually low (for a GPU). But the “low” I am talking about is around 65C during gaming and that’s 149F. 149F is going to feel hot on your lap… but it’s not a GPU heat problem, I just think there isn’t enough protection from the GPU and your lap, just the plastic case and some vent opening. I solved this uncomfortable heat problem with a laptop stand.

As for the CPU, it does get rather hot, but it cools down at record speeds. Under max load I have seen it hit 75C! but after the CPU load drops a bit, the temps drop back down to 45-50C in seconds. So this section is only getting hot during a heavy CPU load. As I’m sure you know, gaming is not 100% processor intensive 100% of the time, where the GPU is getting hit hard 100% during gaming. So that kind of explains why I feel most of the heat by the GPU’s.

Oh, I am using basic monitoring software. Just the Temperature monitor in Nivida control for the GPU, and AMD powernow dashboard for CPU load/temps.
post #45 of 231
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Wow, I thought the whole point of the mobile processor was to run cooler. Seems to be as hot as a desktop processor in the m7700. Tell me, does all the heat come out of the bottom or the back?

Yeah, but the 7700 is loaded with fans and is also known as 'The Brick' or 'The Almighty Vacuum Cleaner' or to some as 'Paper Weight'.
post #46 of 231
Hi to u all. I am a new member with a new notebook. Yes, its tha 17" aurora but it comes with a different name in my country. I have chosen a model with wxga display (no other option unfortunately), 2Ghz turion mt-37, 2x100 GB hard discs and the rest are the same. This machine is really fast in 3d apps and good in the rest. Solid like a rock, heat comes from the back side mostly leaving the rest of the device pretty cool, which is ok, bright screen (i love it), a very good sound card, an excellent tv tuner (dvb-t also), nice camera and everything works perfectly! I have overclocked the 7900gs to 433/643, which are higher than the auto detected optimal settings, although it can be pushed even more (the max core frequency accepted is 437). In a few words, really sutisfied! A few questions. Which program should i use to overclock the cpu (if it is possible)? Is there any software for the tv card? The lifewiew program shows only the digital channels, not the analog. Is there any temperature software for this notebook? Thanks
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Hi to u all. I am a new member with a new notebook. Yes, its tha 17" aurora but it comes with a different name in my country. I have chosen a model with wxga display (no other option unfortunately), 2Ghz turion mt-37, 2x100 GB hard discs and the rest are the same. This machine is really fast in 3d apps and good in the rest. Solid like a rock, heat comes from the back side mostly leaving the rest of the device pretty cool, which is ok, bright screen (i love it), a very good sound card, an excellent tv tuner (dvb-t also), nice camera and everything works perfectly! I have overclocked the 7900gs to 433/643, which are higher than the auto detected optimal settings, although it can be pushed even more (the max core frequency accepted is 437). In a few words, really sutisfied! A few questions. Which program should i use to overclock the cpu (if it is possible)? Is there any software for the tv card? The lifewiew program shows only the digital channels, not the analog. Is there any temperature software for this notebook? Thanks

Hi kirileman, welcome to the forums...

Good to hear this is a solid piece of equipment.

I haven't received mine yet, so I can't answer your questions about the software, but marker 01 talks about temperature monitoring in his last post through the driver and dashboard software.

Is there any chance you would consider downloading this program, nibitor, and posting a copy of the 7900gs bios for those of us that may want to overclock our cards? The AW bios won't let you overclock apparently...
post #49 of 231
Una pregunta: I've been reading the Arctic Silver Inc. website, and it seems like AS5 would be pretty easy to apply myself. Are there any weird hitches or problems that commonly arise with it? Working in delicate small spaces is nothing new to me; I've been doing R/C aircraft for a few years now and tiny epoxy jobs or soldering jobs in the nastiest little places is nothing new.

Hammerhead, if you happen to look further into the idea of a more powerful fan to fit in the chassis for the GPUs, please keep us updated.

Maybe somebody should make a sticky'ed thread that lists important things about the m9700, like this with the AS5 and the fans, and also stuff like the fact that it ships with the wrong CPU driver. I know marker01 noted it but it seems to have been glossed over.
post #50 of 231
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Hi to u all. I am a new member with a new notebook. Yes, its tha 17" aurora but it comes with a different name in my country. I have chosen a model with wxga display (no other option unfortunately), 2Ghz turion mt-37, 2x100 GB hard discs and the rest are the same. This machine is really fast in 3d apps and good in the rest. Solid like a rock, heat comes from the back side mostly leaving the rest of the device pretty cool, which is ok, bright screen (i love it), a very good sound card, an excellent tv tuner (dvb-t also), nice camera and everything works perfectly! I have overclocked the 7900gs to 433/643, which are higher than the auto detected optimal settings, although it can be pushed even more (the max core frequency accepted is 437). In a few words, really sutisfied! A few questions. Which program should i use to overclock the cpu (if it is possible)? Is there any software for the tv card? The lifewiew program shows only the digital channels, not the analog. Is there any temperature software for this notebook? Thanks
Hi kirileman, welcome to the forums... Good to hear this is a solid piece of equipment. I haven't received mine yet, so I can't answer your questions about the software, but marker 01 talks about temperature monitoring in his last post through the driver and dashboard software. Is there any chance you would consider downloading this program, nibitor, and posting a copy of the 7900gs bios for those of us that may want to overclock our cards? The AW bios won't let you overclock apparently...
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Hi to u all. I am a new member with a new notebook. Yes, its tha 17" aurora but it comes with a different name in my country. I have chosen a model with wxga display (no other option unfortunately), 2Ghz turion mt-37, 2x100 GB hard discs and the rest are the same. This machine is really fast in 3d apps and good in the rest. Solid like a rock, heat comes from the back side mostly leaving the rest of the device pretty cool, which is ok, bright screen (i love it), a very good sound card, an excellent tv tuner (dvb-t also), nice camera and everything works perfectly! I have overclocked the 7900gs to 433/643, which are higher than the auto detected optimal settings, although it can be pushed even more (the max core frequency accepted is 437). In a few words, really sutisfied! A few questions. Which program should i use to overclock the cpu (if it is possible)? Is there any software for the tv card? The lifewiew program shows only the digital channels, not the analog. Is there any temperature software for this notebook? Thanks

Hi kirileman, welcome to the forums...

Good to hear this is a solid piece of equipment.

I haven't received mine yet, so I can't answer your questions about the software, but marker 01 talks about temperature monitoring in his last post through the driver and dashboard software.

Is there any chance you would consider downloading this program, nibitor, and posting a copy of the 7900gs bios for those of us that may want to overclock our cards? The AW bios won't let you overclock apparently...



Please post that information.

Not only dose AW lock down the vid card, but the BIOS too, it registers the system manufacture as "Alienware" and AW hardly built the system XD
post #52 of 231
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That sounds really strange with the temps going up and down so fast, I wonder if the numbers are accurate... Where did you read about the turions running hot? I did a quick google last night and didn't find any good info on normal running temps.

From what i gather, this is how the Turion is desinged. It gets hot, can run up to 100C according to AMD, but is designed to drop temp fast.

Hell it should run hot, the CPU volts are 1.45 by default! the AMD X2 is only 1.35, but thats a desktop processor. they will drop to 1.1 when PowerNow kicks in.
post #53 of 231
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Originally Posted by InertKinesis
Una pregunta: I've been reading the Arctic Silver Inc. website, and it seems like AS5 would be pretty easy to apply myself. Are there any weird hitches or problems that commonly arise with it? Working in delicate small spaces is nothing new to me; I've been doing R/C aircraft for a few years now and tiny epoxy jobs or soldering jobs in the nastiest little places is nothing new.

I've put it on my desktop processors. What it is basically is finely ground silver suspended in some kind of mixture that keeps it in paste form. The problem is it's very conductive as it's metal, both for heat and electricity. You need to be careful that you don't use too much as it can ooze out of the space and make connections between circuits on the mobo. The instructions are thorough, as long as you follow them, you'll be fine.

On the last processor I did, I used a small drop of the stuff, maybe the size of a grain of rice, and spread it on the processor with a razor blade to a very thin sheet.

After you go through a couple heat cycles, the strata that keeps it liquid like sets up, so it becomes a fairly solid piece of metal that forms to the processor and heatsink for maximum heat transmission. It's basically like casting a custom fit piece of silver between the heatsink and chip.

The only bad story I read about it was someone that used too much, and had a big air bubble in the middle so there was little direct contact between the heatsink and processor. If you follow the directions though that's very unlikely to happen.

The reason Alienware doesn't use it in most applications is that early versions of Arctic Silver would dry up and become less effective after long terms of use. The later versions of AS are supposed to address this, but AW has to be careful about what they use due to warranty issues.

In my experience, applied correctly it's very effective at dropping temps, and making the cooling systems in the computers work more efficiently.

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Hammerhead, if you happen to look further into the idea of a more powerful fan to fit in the chassis for the GPUs, please keep us updated.

I will, and if anybody else knows anything about laptop fans or cooling mods please jump in. So far I haven't found anything but fans for specific models, or OEM replacements, nothing in the way of high performance replacement fans and/or heatsinks. Even without overclocking, the cooler we keep these things, the longer they'll last.

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Maybe somebody should make a sticky'ed thread that lists important things about the m9700, like this with the AS5 and the fans, and also stuff like the fact that it ships with the wrong CPU driver. I know marker01 noted it but it seems to have been glossed over.

Good idea. If one hasn't been set up by the time I get my m9700, I'll start one.
post #54 of 231
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Originally Posted by marker01
From what i gather, this is how the Turion is desinged. It gets hot, can run up to 100C according to AMD, but is designed to drop temp fast.

Hell it should run hot, the CPU volts are 1.45 by default! the AMD X2 is only 1.35, but thats a desktop processor. they will drop to 1.1 when PowerNow kicks in.

I just read on a tech forum talk about the turion X2 and a problem. Apparently the two cores can't be powered at different levels at the same time like the core duo. That means if the first core is running at 100%, the second core will be also running at 100% though doing nothing. That will generate tons of heat and burn up battery life.

Maybe the single core turion will be better in the long run for gaming...
post #55 of 231
I just did some googling to try to find thermal specs (or rather, expected temperatures) for the Turion, too.. but like marker, the only specs I could find were AMDs own, which specifies a 95C Tdie_max, but gives nothing away on desirable operating temperatures.

Though I remember it being much the same with the desktop range (back when I was looking for thermal specs on the Athlon Barton, shows how long ago I built my desktop!)..

Based on Tdie_max being 95C, though, 75C still leaves 20C headroom under load, which is a fair margin of error, so to speak.
post #56 of 231
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
I just read on a tech forum talk about the turion X2 and a problem. Apparently the two cores can't be powered at different levels at the same time like the core duo. That means if the first core is running at 100%, the second core will be also running at 100% though doing nothing. That will generate tons of heat and burn up battery life.

Maybe the single core turion will be better in the long run for gaming...

It's a good thing I caught this. I was thinking of upgrading to turion x2 later down the road. If they fix this, then hey I just might do it, but if it does not get fixed, I'll stick with the single core.
post #57 of 231
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Is there any chance you would consider downloading this program, nibitor, and posting a copy of the 7900gs bios for those of us that may want to overclock our cards? The AW bios won't let you overclock apparently...
Why cant u overclock your cards? I think i have just installed RivaTuner v.2 and after that the overclocking option was there. Do u mean you have already done this and still cant change frequences?
post #58 of 231
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Originally Posted by kirileman
Why cant u overclock your cards? I think i have just installed RivaTuner v.2 and after that the overclocking option was there. Do u mean you have already done this and still cant change frequences?

marker01 tried, and the card just defaulted back to stock settings. AW has installed a bios version that is locked, so you can't overclock.

That is why I asked if you'd be willing to use nibitor to put your bios into a file we could get so we could also overclock by flashing the bios for your card to ours.

It won't affect your card at all, it will just let us load up your bios that will allow us to overclock.
post #59 of 231
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It's a good thing I caught this. I was thinking of upgrading to turion x2 later down the road. If they fix this, then hey I just might do it, but if it does not get fixed, I'll stick with the single core.

I just saw this on a tech chatboard, so I don't know if it's true, but it sounded reliable.

Not only that issue, but due to heat the dual core will also be clocked lower due to heat, so the single core just might be better for gaming for now.

And the turion X2 uses a different socket than the single core turion, so upgrading will also require a new motherboard. The X2 also supports DDR2 memory, so it'll require new memory as well. Doesn't seem worth the money to me...
post #60 of 231
marker01, thanks for leading the way for the m9700 review.

I had a few questions regarding the notebook. You say it gets hot to the human touch. Is this something that is bearable? I would imagine it gets the hottest while playing games. What if you were just surfing the Internet or watching a movie, is the heat a problem then? I don't know if i missed it or not, but can the SLI be disabled to save battery power and reduce heat if need be?
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