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Sager Support Annoyance

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
First, forgive me if I posted this in the wrong place.

A few weeks ago, I emailed Sager for some help with my 5660 (CD-RW is locking the machine). I'd tested things heavily, lived with the problem for about 1.5 months, and finally broke down and decided to RMA it. At first, I sent them just the drive itself - nope, that's fine. So, I sent them the laptop. There was some initial annoyance because it turned out that my warranty expired on 2/6 and even though I'd been working with them on the problem in January (and even had an RMA), they weren't willing to extend my warranty by even a day or two to try something that could have saved them time and money.

Anyway...

I sent them the laptop and waited. After they had it for about a week, I received a message on 2/12 stating the following:

Quote:
Yes, we receive the unit on 2-9, the combo drive we test with your unit with
our hard disk still working, since your hard disk is not sent it back so
must be the software issue, but any way we still replace another combo
drive, also we change the CPU fan module for you. should be ship back the
unit to you today.
I was a little ticked off that they claim to have rec'd the laptop on 2/9 (my UPS logs say otherwise), but was happy that they replaced something, I suppose [FWIW, it's definitely not a software problem*]. I responded to this note immediately - particularly to check that they'd tested with CD-RW with two harddrives installed (the likely problem) and to tell them that I wanted to pay for a 2 Day return.

The days go by. No response.

I send email again. No response.

I send email again. A response the next day. I get just a tracking number.

According to UPS, my machine wasn't shipped until 2/18, *6* days later. And it's been sent "3 Day Select" which, thanks to the friggin' weekend, means that I don't get my machine until 2/23, a full 9 days later than I would have expected it, at least.

I want to be clear about something: I love my Sager. I'd buy another one. I am not afraid of the support or the warranty. But c'mon. I've been without a working CDRW since December (which sucks, believe me), and without my machine since 2/5. But their lack of communication and, in my instance, delay with getting my machine back really pisses me off. And if I get it back and I still have the problem, I may change my mind.

I just had to vent.

* Why isn't it a software problem? Because it broken in the middle of burning CDs under Linux. Because the CDRW locks up the machine in Windows OR Linux. Because reloading Windows from scratch hangs when you start accessing the CDR. And it started happening after I added a second drive, a slave to the CDRW. Sure, it COULD be a software problem...but I doubt it.
post #2 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiphart
* Why isn't it a software problem? Because it broken in the middle of burning CDs under Linux. Because the CDRW locks up the machine in Windows OR Linux. Because reloading Windows from scratch hangs when you start accessing the CDR. And it started happening after I added a second drive, a slave to the CDRW. Sure, it COULD be a software problem...but I doubt it.
Could it be the select setting on the 2nd hard drive is wrong? Just provide this in case it still doesn't work when you get it next week.
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
Could it be the select setting on the 2nd hard drive is wrong? Just provide this in case it still doesn't work when you get it next week.
That's a great idea, one that hadn't occurred to me until after I sent them the CD-RW. However, I checked and it looks alright (plus, the hd has worked fine from day one). However, I have a feeling that if I remove the 2nd hd, the CDRW will start working right. THAT'S what I was willing to test before sending them the laptop, but they wouldn't allow that.

Grrrrrr.
post #4 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiphart
That's a great idea, one that hadn't occurred to me until after I sent them the CD-RW. However, I checked and it looks alright (plus, the hd has worked fine from day one). However, I have a feeling that if I remove the 2nd hd, the CDRW will start working right. THAT'S what I was willing to test before sending them the laptop, but they wouldn't allow that.

Grrrrrr.
I took a quick look in the 5660 manual and it didn't have a 2nd HDD listed as an option. Extract follows:

Optional
• Secondary battery pack
• 3.5" 3-mode FDD
• DVD-ROM Drive
• CD-RW Drive
• DVD-ROM and CD-RW Combo Drive
• Software DVD Player
• Wireless LAN module

Storage
• Bay one interchangeable for 3.5" 3-mode FDD, OR DVD-ROM, OR
CD-ROM, OR CD-RW, OR Combination DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive,
OR secondary battery
• Bay two fixed DVD-ROM, OR CD-ROM, OR CD-RW, OR Combination
DVD-ROM/ CD-RW drive
• Easy changeable 2.5" 9.5 mm (h) HDD
• Support Master mode IDE, support PIO mode 4 / ATA-33/66/100
(Ultra DMA) - Model C also supports PIO mode 4 / ATA-133

Where (which bay) did you have the 2nd HDD configured?
post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Omaha
Where (which bay) did you have the 2nd HDD configured?
The floppy bay. I had to pull my floppy out and order a piece from PCTORQUE and it worked like a charm. Check out the "56xx Accessories" on the PCTorque site and you'll see the bracket, etc., for the 2nd drive. Adam himself told me that's what they were for!

FWIW, when I spoke to the guys at Sager, they didn't remark that this was odd.
post #6 of 12
I was keying on the "slave to CD drive" comment. Well, wait and see. Hope that it does work. It could have been a bad drive and the head quit moving after traveling so far, etc...
post #7 of 12
I hate their tech support, I have had to email them 2-3 times and after 2 emails they just never email you back which ticks me off.
Guess I wont be ordering a replacement LCD cover that they screwd up and damaged and wont replace...
post #8 of 12
LCD cover?

yah, and their lack of support to the 4780 users about the TV tuner is really makes me wonder
post #9 of 12
Yes, the LCD cover the TOP of the notebook.
post #10 of 12
I have had a really bad experience with Sager tech support too - I feel for you. I'm going to post my experience soon. Watch out for Sager tech support, everyone.
post #11 of 12
Just as a healthy dose of reality :

One of my "other" notebooks purchased from a nationwide local retail store is now in for service to replace a failed hard drive under the extended warranty. Mind you, this is after they spent nine weeks less than six months ago replacing a failed LCD, the inverter board, the hard drive (they used a refurbished drive as the replacement. Can you honestly believe that?), and the DVD/CDRW drive. Not surprisingly, the refurbished hard drive died fairly quickly, and was fairly obvious that part was indeed the point of failure.

Date turned into local store : January 12th, 2004.

I leave messages on their Tech Shop's voicemail (and the store manager's voicemail) roughly every three days, attempting to ascertain the status of this hellacious repair. Received a call today (ironically enough) :

"We have determined that your hard drive has failed. We are in the process of ordering the part, but we have no idea when it will be in. Check back in two weeks, or so."

So, to summarize :

- You've experienced a problem with your machine. You sent said machine back to the manufacturer/distributor on February 5th. You received the machine back on or about February 23rd. Total time lost : Roughly 18 days + loss of use of CDRW prior to actually returning the unit

- I experienced a complete failure (difficult to do much without a hard drive)with the aforementioned machine. I turned it into the local store on January 12th. They've now brilliantly deduced (in almost six weeks time) the refurbished hard drive has failed. Total time lost : Roughly 40 days + additional time to receive a new hard drive (judging by past experience with this store, could be measured in months) + additional time to install said hard drive

Lesson learned : you could do far, far worse than the Sager RMA process.
post #12 of 12
I have been waiting 2 weeks to get this problem fixed and I just got it 2 weeks ago - it isn't as bad as your story but taking into account I JUST got it..
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