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m90 performance with RAID array?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hey guys,
I am pretty close to purchasing an m90 as a replacement for my very high end desktop, because I love the capabilites and the portability of the machine but I have one concern: storage limitations. The m90 only has one internal SATA port with a maximum factory HD size of 120GB. But I would like closer to 1-2TB of high speed storage for working with uncompressed HD video (and gaming ). Obviously right now, it is impossible to get 2TB in a single internal 2.5" drive, so I decided on something like this: http://www.pc-pitstop.com/sata_cages...ures/a4in3.asp

It's a 4 drive SATA RAID array enclosure. I plan on having 4 500GB SATAII drives in it. Since the m90 does not have any eSATA ports, I figured I would have to get a D/Dock and a SATA controller PCI card. But I have serious reservations about the performance of this set up. The Latitude D/Dock is relatively old, as it was released with the D600 and I am concerned it cannot keep up with the bandwidth needs that I have. But then I saw that there are 2 different versions, a latitude version and an m90 version. Does anyone know if the m90 version is an updated one? More specifically, is the PCI slot a PCI Express slot and does it maybe offer any SATA ports?

As I mentioned above, I can get a 4 port SATA PCI Card and install it in the D/Dock. But where will this put me performance wise? SATAII has a transfer rate of 3Gb/s. A standard PCI slot is limited to 266MB/s When you combine this with the fact that a RAID array striped across 4 disks SHOULD approach 12Gb/s(obviously, in practice this will be substantially less due to bottlenecks in the chipset), this means a substantial bandwidth loss since I am limited to a single PCI slot's bandwidth(i would get a max of 266MB/s as opposed to 12GB/s - almost a 6000% loss of performance!!!)

Does anyone have a solution that would allow me to use a SATA or SAS RAID array at its full speed and capability? Right now, storage space is the only negative aspect of this machine and if I can get storage space, this would be the absolute perfect laptop.
post #2 of 12
How about an express card SATA adapter.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...s=19&c=us&l=en

that's a version that Dell sells.

I like that enclosure...I might pick something like that up myself.
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
thanks Vcdechagn, I didnt know the m90 had card slots. I'm not too familiar with Expresscard technology, is it supposed to be the laptop's version of PCI-E slots on a desktop? What type of PCI-E slot is it? (x1, x4, x16?) I know they make SAS PCI-E cards. If I could get a SAS Expresscard and connect some 10,000RPM SAS drives, that would be .

Yea, those enclosures are pretty cool. They have some really nice ones that include hot-swap trays and each tray has an LCD screen with a readout of some measurements of the drive (temp, voltage, etc). You can get them with SAS cables so you basically only need 1 cable to connect to your PC (a single SAS cable can carry data for 4 SATA drives) and help to reduce clutter.
post #4 of 12
www.expresscard.org for the technical specifics (and links to card sellers. I'm actually seriously thinking about an external enclosure with a bunch of drives after seeing that site. I don't know the specifics of the speed of the slot, but it is meant to handle gigabit ethernet level speeds, so it should be adequately fast.

Good luck and let me know what you end up doing with your setup. Are you going through Bath'zar or Techaholic for your M90?
post #5 of 12
How would you power this? It looks like an internal enclosure designed to go into a desktop PC?

THanks,
CJ
post #6 of 12
I found this, looks closer to what you may want to do with an ExpressCard eSATA device:

http://www.thecus.com/products_over....f88a53455b6e4e

CJ
post #7 of 12
SIIG make an expresscard eSATA RAID interface

http://www.expresscard.org/web/do/pu...uct/view?id=54
http://www.siig.com/product.asp?catid=128&pid=1037

I have no experience of it, I just bookmarked it recently because I was finding out about expresscard (which seems to be a smaller, higher performance pcmcia and cardbus replacement)

edited to add: I see someone else already pointed you to this card
post #8 of 12
SIIG also make a plain, non-RAID 2 port eSATA card, by the way
http://www.siig.com/product.asp?catid=128&pid=1036
post #9 of 12
The M90 version of the DDock is no different than the Latitude Version. There's absolutely NO CHANGE at all in them. Why Dell makes you think there's something special? My only guess can be just so they can bilk corporate buyers of Precision mobiles out of more money.

I assume you're just going to use the old pin 16 to ground trick on an ATX power supply to power that SATA backplane. However, you're going to be limited by the PCI Slot's bandwidth as you yourself surmised. I'm sorry man, but if you want 2TB of storage that's also fast you should stick with Desktops. However, using an eSATA raid card in the DDock's PCI Slot would work, it'd just be rather slow. And you'll have to jury rig some power for the enclosure.
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by MrEvil
However, you're going to be limited by the PCI Slot's bandwidth as you yourself surmised.
What are the relative performance characteristics of PCI (in the DDock) and expresscard?
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
the expresscard is the mobile version of the pci-e slot. PCI-e is limited to 1.5Gb/s per channel(I believe. and a single slot can have up to 16 channels...aka x16). Conventional PCI is limited to 266MB/s. Also, you can buy SATA enclosures with their own power supplies, no need to do any wiring yourself. I want a 5 drive enclosure so I can have over 2TB of storage. As far as speed, no hard drives currently on the market can actually utilize all 1.5GB/s of a SATA I connection, yet alone all 3Gb/s using SATAII. But, by using a SATAII card that supports port multipliers, I can have all 5 drives using a single SATA cable to connect my enclosure without any degredation in speed or perfromance. But it would be nice to just be able to use a PCI card in the D/Dock and not have to have a card sticking out the side of my machine.
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by jgilbs
the expresscard is the mobile version of the pci-e slot. PCI-e is limited to 1.5Gb/s per channel(I believe. and a single slot can have up to 16 channels...aka x16). Conventional PCI is limited to 266MB/s
OK, so connecting drives via an expresscard SATA interface gives you six times the bandwidth to the drive, compared to PCI in a D-Dock.
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Originally Posted by jgilbs
As far as speed, no hard drives currently on the market can actually utilize all 1.5GB/s of a SATA I connection, yet alone all 3Gb/s using SATAII.
but the drives won't use all the bandwidth the expresscard gives them. It sounds likely that a PCI slot would be a bottleneck, though.
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Originally Posted by jgilbs
But, by using a SATAII card that supports port multipliers, I can have all 5 drives using a single SATA cable to connect my enclosure without any degredation in speed or perfromance.
So, the drives daisy chain together? Or they appear as a single larger drive?
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Originally Posted by jgilbs
But it would be nice to just be able to use a PCI card in the D/Dock and not have to have a card sticking out the side of my machine.
I was thinking it would be nice to have just one e-sata cable coming out the side instead of a whole docking station just to connect a drive
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