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post #21 of 40
7/20/06 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by cstradling24
How are you guys seeing exactly what your computer is clocked at anyway? You said int he system info but isnt that just right clicking the my computer? Thanks

Yes, the info is in the system properties. go to start menu, right click my computer the select properties. Under computer: it will show your info.

I just turned off speed step and in fact my cpu is now running at full speed all the time. So I guess thewird you are right, there seems to be a mistake in the bios description or something. But anyways thanks to everyone for your advice wrong or right
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post #22 of 40
7/20/06 at 10:18pm
The reason it shows 1ghz clock is because its DUAL CORE so you have 2 1GHZ cores :P. I think what they ment by lowest performance state is most battery effiecient state ^_^.

thewird
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post #23 of 40
7/20/06 at 10:21pm
I am sitting here on the internet an mind is at 2.0GHz in the system properties. Shouldnt it be clocked down or something.
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post #24 of 40
7/20/06 at 10:23pm
I use RightMark 2.1 to monitor the CPU speed when I tested the speedstep.
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post #25 of 40
7/20/06 at 10:26pm
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Originally Posted by cstradling24
I am sitting here on the internet an mind is at 2.0GHz in the system properties. Shouldnt it be clocked down or something.


System properties does not refresh the CPU speed when it changes unless you re-open the page
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post #26 of 40
7/20/06 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by SolApathy
System properties does not refresh the CPU speed when it changes unless you re-open the page


I understand that, when I had speed step enabled the system properties would show 998mhz first then after refreshing (closing and reopening window) would change to 2 ghz then back to 998mhz after refreshing again. Now with speedstep disabled clock speed stays at 2 ghz no matter how many times I refresh and this is with no apps running just idling
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post #27 of 40
7/20/06 at 10:34pm
Rightmark is very inaccurate. It just sits at 999 mhz which is the speed of one core however i have speedstep enabled so it should be jumping around which it isn't. Either way Speedsteop off = permanent max clock regardless of whatever anyone else says, BIOS or otherwise.

thewird
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post #28 of 40
7/20/06 at 10:37pm
Mine stays at 2.0 no matter how many times I refresh it.
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post #29 of 40
7/20/06 at 10:47pm
...Rightmark is inaccurate if you have an older version. I am running version 2.1, which is completely accurate. -make sure if you upgrade it shows Version 2.1 when you run the program! It is perfectly accurate & can monitor real-time changes in CPU speed.
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...As far as the one core BS, that is completely untrue. There are 2 physical cores, both capable of running independently at your max clock speed, not 2 1 GHz cores. <O</O
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This is not HT technology where there are 2 logical cores. I opened up my second M1710, as well as my Gen 2 XPS…All three of them run at minimum speed (my 1710’s at 999 MHz & my Gen 2 @ 798 MHz. (2.16/2.16/2.13GHz machines) when speedstep is off& NHC is not loaded. Windows does not always accurately monitor CPU speed, it is not designed to be a CPU speed monitor.

I know I only have 3 computers here, but I think with the limited amount of machines in front of me I can come to a pretty good conclusion. <O</O
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post #30 of 40
7/20/06 at 11:23pm
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Originally Posted by thewird
Rightmark is very inaccurate. It just sits at 999 mhz which is the speed of one core however i have speedstep enabled so it should be jumping around which it isn't. Either way Speedsteop off = permanent max clock regardless of whatever anyone else says, BIOS or otherwise.

thewird
Whats your power managment setting at? If its on always on or something that will mess with speedstep than that may be the reason why your laptop wont downclock. But I along with other people have confirmed that turning off speedstep in the bios is a bad idea.
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post #31 of 40
7/20/06 at 11:55pm
Some of the posts in here are painfully dumb.

http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

Go download that, it works. It will tell you the speed of each core.

If the CPU isn't doing anything and it idles, then it doesn't matter what speed it is running on, other than to enhance your e-peen. Let's get real.
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post #32 of 40
7/21/06 at 4:16am
I had the latest version of Rightmark cause I had just downloaded it. The reason I said its inacurate is because it isn't a monitoring program but rather it takes over speedstep if you turn it off. Its ment to control the clocks, not monitor them.

Also, your can't use CPUZ to monitor real-time clocks either since it reads the full core clock.

You people just don't understand, the whole point of SpeedStep is to UNDERCLOCK the processor when not needed to conserve power and decpate heat. Simple as that.

thewird
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post #33 of 40
7/21/06 at 10:00am
...I don't know how to point this out to you...But if you go under profiles and select "no management" for some reason it does not manage your settings.


...And yes most of us do have an understanding of speedstep...Some of us even understand speed step II, as well as speestep III, Via Longhaul, Transmeta LR1 & LR2, AMD's Cool'Quiet, and PowerNow technologies.

You might find it surprising but a few of us here actually work in technology fields & know a little about what we are talking about (I know it's difficult to comprehend)
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post #34 of 40
7/21/06 at 11:43am
I stand by my posts that turning off speedstep puts the processor at highest clock as long as your power settings match.

thewird
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post #35 of 40
7/21/06 at 12:09pm
I don't know how to make it any clearer, I''m already out of windex...


Windows system properties page is NOT an accurate represnetation of the system's speed when speedstep is disbled. No offense, but your assertion that the dual core system is 2 1GHz cores bears out your lack of understanding.

Benchmarking utilities such as Sandra will show you that the core is a 2.16 GHz core, however when you run the actual benchmarking you will find the system is operating in a reduced performance mode... You will see the 1st comparison is a 2.16GHz Yonah....My computer isn't exactly up to par.

...Here is a screenshot I just took in speedstep "off" mode, always on, no background NHC running, and windows & sandra both showing 2.16GHz clock...but the performance shows a different story.




Now I am going to reboot and put speedstep back on so I don't feel like I am using a PIII anymore.
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post #36 of 40
7/21/06 at 12:23pm
One more for disabling speedstep forces your CPU to run at the LOWEST clock speed. Not only doesCPU-Z confirm this, a simple 3dmark run confirmes that after disabling it, there is a huge performance hit.

And a dual core 2.0ghz cpu is not 2 1.0ghz cpus
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post #37 of 40
7/21/06 at 1:08pm
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Originally Posted by thewird
I stand by my posts that turning off speedstep puts the processor at highest clock as long as your power settings match.

thewird
thewird, you are wrong.

1. Go download a CPU benchmark program.
2. Run one with speedstep enabled.
3. Run one with it off.
4. Report back your findings.
5. Eat crow. (optional)
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post #38 of 40
7/21/06 at 1:14pm
sublime is right!!!! if all of you whiners would actually read the information the bios gives you on the speedstep page, It states in PLAIN ENGLISH that by disabling speedstep it will put your computer permenantly in the LOWEST performance state. It is actually speedstep that allows the processor to be fully raised to its rated clocks.

You all should go into bios and read the captions to a lot of settings... good info.
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post #39 of 40
7/21/06 at 1:17pm
whackamca...don't forget my screenshot that shows the BIOS screen, as well as the other post I made showing benchmarking results...heh... I've done all I can do
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post #40 of 40
7/21/06 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by whackamac
sublime is right!!!! if all of you whiners would actually read the information the bios gives you on the speedstep page, It states in PLAIN ENGLISH that by disabling speedstep it will put your computer permenantly in the LOWEST performance state. It is actually speedstep that allows the processor to be fully raised to its rated clocks.

You all should go into bios and read the captions to a lot of settings... good info.

I still disagree with thewird but waskamac you need to read the rest of this thread before yout try o tell us what to do. We all know exatly what the bios says (in plain english) BUT thewird was saying it was wrong. Thanks anyway.
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