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post #1 of 16
7/31/06 at 2:00am
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Just got my 8000t, only added a program or two to it and noticed i only have something like 55 gigs of the 100 (7200 drive) available. I can't imagine the stuff I added (GoBack and printer drivers, Office 2003 with it) takes up that much space.

Is this normal? This just seems wrong. 100 = 55 when it arrives at your door.

Any thoughts or advice. i'm sure I can delete some of the millions of demo files they put on there, but I don't want to take a shot at screwing something up.
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post #2 of 16
7/31/06 at 2:28am
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Originally Posted by Eddie NYC
Just got my 8000t, only added a program or two to it and noticed i only have something like 55 gigs of the 100 (7200 drive) available. I can't imagine the stuff I added (GoBack and printer drivers, Office 2003 with it) takes up that much space.

Is this normal? This just seems wrong. 100 = 55 when it arrives at your door.

Any thoughts or advice. i'm sure I can delete some of the millions of demo files they put on there, but I don't want to take a shot at screwing something up.


First of all 100 is before it's formated....

I don't have a 100 to look at right now... but a

250gig = 233 formated
400 gig= 373 formated


... You asked about disc space, don't have the laptop up right now but on my desktop machine I have it partitioned at about 60gig for the OS... Have MS office installed, multiple web browers, burning program, all kinds of programs and have about 20 games installed with all versions of Half-Life, Doom, etc, etc and it's showing about 45 gig used.


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What OS are you running?

Recovery partiton alone takes up:

MCE =12 gig's
XP HOME/XP Pro? = 6 -7 gigs
QuickPlay 1 gig

If you're running MCE it's bound to take up more space that XP home/PRO.
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post #3 of 16
7/31/06 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by WeAreNotAlone
First of all 100 is before it's formated....

I don't have a 100 to look at right now... but a

250gig = 233 formated
400 gig= 373 formated


... You asked about disc space, don't have the laptop up right now but on my desktop machine I have it partitioned at about 60gig for the OS... Have MS office installed, multiple web browers, burning program, all kinds of programs and have about 20 games installed with all versions of Half-Life, Doom, etc, etc and it's showing about 45 gig used.


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What OS are you running?

Recovery partiton alone takes up:

MCE =12 gig's
XP HOME/XP Pro? = 6 -7 gigs
QuickPlay 1 gig

If you're running MCE it's bound to take up more space that XP home/PRO.

Running MCE. This just doesn't seem like half the drive should be taken-up from this. Wonder if I should return via Costco, and reorder with the 2-120 drives which are slower at 5400 RPM. Do you know if I'm doing a lot of video editing/DVD rendering, if the slower drive speeds will be a problem?

Also, I think you may have written in the past about the lack of brackets for adding a second hard drive. Where does this stand? Can I just buy a 2nd 100 gig 7200 hard drive and installed (and not void the warranty?)
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post #4 of 16
7/31/06 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by WeAreNotAlone
1 Faster hd for video editing a plus. I'd keep the 7,200 and buy a second drive if needed.

2 Better option may be to buy an external hard drive if your doing video editing, off-loading projects to the external drive. ( one of the best external hd enclosures is the Apircorn EZ-BUS-DT*-KIT)

3 You can delete the HP restore partition and gain 12 gig, before doing so using Arconis True Image to image the drive to an external hd, dvd/cd.

4 ... Yes unless something has changed, the bracket is not there unless you ordered it with 2 drives.. Everything else is there... you just plug the hd in.
5: Void the warranty by putting in a second hd? = NO.... flip the unit over and remove the three screws on the hd access panel, look inside and it's right there. Download the Maintance and Service Guide pdf from HP ... It's a VERY simple process to add a second drive. The biggest hurdle would be making a bracket.

Thanks. You've been VERY helpful. I have a bigger seagate external HD that I used with our desktop, but may look into one of the smaller portably ones that are earlier to lug around the house. (Would still back-up on the bigger Seagate every now and then too). Couple other quick ??'s though:

1) Been looking at some of the smaller portable HD (250 or 300 gigs) that connect with a USB port. If I get a 7200 drive, will this work well with video editing? I don't know if there is a lag works and could impact the quality?

2) Is one of these portable drives something that you can set up as video capture destination and edit from there....treating it just as a normal internal drive, or do you need to do everything on the notebook, then just ultimately back-up the finished product on the drive. I'd like to be able to use an external drive as if it was internal. This may be a dumb question, but I just don't know.

3) Anything I should look for in particular when looking for a small portable external HD?

4) I made the recovery discs (2 DL discs), what exactly is the 13 gigs for HD recovery and does erasing the partition erase this recovery data? Is this something that someone who knows as little as I do should do to save a few gigs on the HD? I just don't know whtat this does.

Hopefully those are the last of my questions for a while. Thanks again.
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post #5 of 16
7/31/06 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by Eddie NYC
Running MCE. This just doesn't seem like half the drive should be taken-up from this. Wonder if I should return via Costco, and reorder with the 2-120 drives which are slower at 5400 RPM. Do you know if I'm doing a lot of video editing/DVD rendering, if the slower drive speeds will be a problem? Also, I think you may have written in the past about the lack of brackets for adding a second hard drive. Where does this stand? Can I just buy a 2nd 100 gig 7200 hard drive and installed (and not void the warranty?)
1 Faster hd for video editing a plus. I'd keep the 7,200 and buy a second drive if needed. 2 Better option may be to buy an external hard drive if your doing video editing, off-loading projects to the external drive. ( one of the best external hd enclosures is the Apircorn EZ-BUS-DT*-KIT) 3 You can delete the HP restore partition and gain 12 gig, before doing so using Arconis True Image to image the drive to an external hd, dvd/cd. 4 ... Yes unless something has changed, the bracket is not there unless you ordered it with 2 drives.. Everything else is there... you just plug the hd in. 5: Void the warranty by putting in a second hd? = NO.... flip the unit over and remove the three screws on the hd access panel, look inside and it's right there. Download the Maintance and Service Guide pdf from HP ... It's a VERY simple process to add a second drive. The biggest hurdle would be making a bracket. 6: I'd format and do a fresh install.
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post #6 of 16
7/31/06 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by Eddie NYC
Thanks. You've been VERY helpful. I have a bigger seagate external HD that I used with our desktop, but may look into one of the smaller portably ones that are earlier to lug around the house. (Would still back-up on the bigger Seagate every now and then too). Couple other quick ??'s though:

1) Been looking at some of the smaller portable HD (250 or 300 gigs) that connect with a USB port. If I get a 7200 drive, will this work well with video editing? I don't know if there is a lag works and could impact the quality?

Firewire wll be better. More reliable, less cpu usage than USB.

2) Is one of these portable drives something that you can set up as video capture destination and edit from there....treating it just as a normal internal drive, or do you need to do everything on the notebook, then just ultimately back-up the finished product on the drive. I'd like to be able to use an external drive as if it was internal. This may be a dumb question, but I just don't know.

I would think that would be doable

3) Anything I should look for in particular when looking for a small portable external HD? Long story there...depends if you want something ultra portable which means using a 2.5 laptop drive which are SMALL on the gig rating, and expensive..... Or use a slightly bigger hd enclosure using a 3.5 desktop hd... at a cost of about $50 for 250 gig after rebate.. Check out this post for more info, link to enclosure /dv8000t info :

http://www.notebookforums.com/post2241180-6.html
http://www.notebookforums.com/thread159990.html

4) I made the recovery discs (2 DL discs), what exactly is the 13 gigs for HD recovery and does erasing the partition erase this recovery data? Is this something that someone who knows as little as I do should do to save a few gigs on the HD? I just don't know whtat this does.

Once you delete the recovery partition it's GONE.... No big deal, just use an external hard drive, a program like Acronis True Image, Ghost v 8.3, or Ghost corporate 2005 to image drive, partititons as needed to the external drive, dvd, cd

The loss of the HP recovery partition is something that you shouldn't "cry" about as it's only purpose is so when you call HP is for them to say "run the recovery" option.

While better than nothing, I'd rather do a FRESH install of Windows... then use Acronis True Image to image the drive. Create my "own" recovery partition via True image.... at any time, as many times as I want.... Creating as many "restore" discs as I want... and being able to restore the system to "my" configuration... With ALL MY apps put back after a "restore".

Hopefully those are the last of my questions for a while. Thanks again.


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post #7 of 16
7/31/06 at 8:47pm
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Originally Posted by Eddie NYC
Running MCE. This just doesn't seem like half the drive should be taken-up from this. Wonder if I should return via Costco, and reorder with the 2-120 drives which are slower at 5400 RPM. Do you know if I'm doing a lot of video editing/DVD rendering, if the slower drive speeds will be a problem?

Also, I think you may have written in the past about the lack of brackets for adding a second hard drive. Where does this stand? Can I just buy a 2nd 100 gig 7200 hard drive and installed (and not void the warranty?)

100GB with MCE after formatting gives you 93.1 available.
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post #8 of 16
7/31/06 at 9:05pm
you defintly want a faster hdd and lots of ram to do video editing, on my previous set up my hdd was only a 5400, terribly alotta skips in the capturing process, and alot of drop frames..
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post #9 of 16
7/31/06 at 9:40pm
Absolutely correct. 5,400 is the bare recommended for a notebook running MCE if you're going to record television, but if you really want to edit, get the fastest you can get. I've even used and external drive spinning at 7,200 rpm using firewire (and usb 2.0 works as well) for editing. Worked like a charm.
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post #10 of 16
7/31/06 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by chiefsmackaho
Absolutely correct. 5,400 is the bare recommended for a notebook running MCE if you're going to record television, but if you really want to edit, get the fastest you can get. I've even used and external drive spinning at 7,200 rpm using firewire (and usb 2.0 works as well) for editing. Worked like a charm.


That's great to know. I think I'm going to end up trying to do that.

Also, I have no idea why so much memory is used up. All I can tell is the HP recovery takes 12/13 gig, and on my C: drive it says I have 54 gig free. On top of all the software folders that came with it, I only added GoBack and various drivers.

I cannot stand all the junk they put on there. I'd love to blow out a lot of stuff (more than I have), but I'm not sure what's suppose to be there (tied to something else) and what is just junk. For example, every internet service under the sun has a program in "online Svcs" folder. HP Rhapsony, Vongo, etc. What is this stuff? Too much is too much!!
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post #11 of 16
7/31/06 at 10:14pm
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Originally Posted by Eddie NYC
That's great to know. I think I'm going to end up trying to do that.

Also, I have no idea why so much memory is used up. All I can tell is the HP recovery takes 12/13 gig, and on my C: drive it says I have 54 gig free. On top of all the software folders that came with it, I only added GoBack and various drivers.

I cannot stand all the junk they put on there. I'd love to blow out a lot of stuff (more than I have), but I'm not sure what's suppose to be there (tied to something else) and what is just junk. For example, every internet service under the sun has a program in "online Svcs" folder. HP Rhapsony, Vongo, etc. What is this stuff? Too much is too much!!

Backup everything in the C:SwSetup folder, download all the SP's from Hp... backup the "restore" partition itself (if you think you'd like to "restore" the HP "restore" /recovery partition" for some reason via Arconis True Image /Ghost..

Then delete the OS and recovery partition, leaving the QuickPlay partition alone.

Then do a CLEAN install.
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post #12 of 16
7/31/06 at 10:28pm


Good idea.
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post #13 of 16
7/31/06 at 11:03pm
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Originally Posted by WeAreNotAlone
Backup everything in the C:SwSetup folder, download all the SP's from Hp... backup the "restore" partition itself (if you think you'd like to "restore" the HP "restore" /recovery partition" for some reason via Arconis True Image /Ghost..

Then delete the OS and recovery partition, leaving the QuickPlay partition alone.

Then do a CLEAN install.

I may just leave it alone. I have no idea what you just said. I'm not trying to be flip, but I think I'd really screw something up.
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post #14 of 16
7/31/06 at 11:40pm
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Originally Posted by Eddie NYC
I may just leave it alone. I have no idea what you just said. I'm not trying to be flip, but I think I'd really screw something up.
I understand, no offense taken. Doing a format of the entire hd would be the best option,,, another option would be to format JUST the OS partition (The partition containing your current OS -)... leaving everything else alone and installing a FRESH copy of the OS without all the BS on it that comes as shipped. If you paid the $10 extra for the OS install disc it's just a simple matter of downloading those SP's (Service packs- aka the "drivers") and making a copy of the C:\\SwSetup folder.... before doing the format. Then sticking the disc in and following the on screen instructions.. (The C:\\SwSetup folder contains SP's..... the ones you download may be "newer".)
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post #15 of 16
8/1/06 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by WeAreNotAlone
I understand, no offense taken.

Doing a format of the entire hd would be the best option,,, another option would be to format JUST the OS partition (The partition containing your current OS -)... leaving everything else alone and installing a FRESH copy of the OS without all the BS on it that comes as shipped.

If you paid the $10 extra for the OS install disc it's just a simple matter of downloading those SP's (Service packs- aka the "drivers") and making a copy of the C:\\SwSetup folder.... before doing the format.

Then sticking the disc in and following the on screen instructions..

(The C:\\SwSetup folder contains SP's..... the ones you download may be "newer".)

This I may do. I did get the extra MCE disc. I've been trying to delete the extra files and between that process and having to do a restore via GoBack, I think the system is running slow. From shutdown to the time when the system is fulling running seems to take close to 2 minutes, does that seem right?

If I reformat the C: drive, HP support should walk me through this right?
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post #16 of 16
8/1/06 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by Eddie NYC
This I may do. I did get the extra MCE disc. I've been trying to delete the extra files and between that process and having to do a restore via GoBack, I think the system is running slow. From shutdown to the time when the system is fulling running seems to take close to 2 minutes, does that seem right?

If I reformat the C: drive, HP support should walk me through this right?


Re: If I reformat the C: drive, HP support should walk me through this right?


HP has on their site instructions on deleting the recovery partition, and "maybe" info on doing a format. (Although probally not detailed info.)


So far as HP walking you thru it... I doubt it.

More than likey you will get the following advice/statement:

Dear HP customer... Please insert the "recovery disc", or press F11 at boot-up to access the recovery program to restore the contents of your hard disc.

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Lot's easier and more time effective for them to do that, than to walk someone thru installing the OS.

You will note when you find the support pages in regards to the above that HP does not recommend deleting the recovery partition... Reason being is they want to be able to say at any time there is a problem:

Dear HP customer... Please insert the "recovery disc", or press F11 at boot-up to access the recovery program to restore the contents of your hard disc.


Can't blame them.... I'd do the same thing... Too much time /money to do otherwise.
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