m10 = Mobility 9700 !?! - Page 2

LOL when I got my Dell Inspiron 7000 with its 14.1 screen 8 meg video card and P2 300 cpu I thought that is it it will last forever.

That is what I said to myself since I paid 3 grand for it!


Ya can never stay on the edge unless your Bill Gates

I don't know about anyone else's source but my source is a next door neighbour from Texas who works as an engineer at ATI's digital TV division. We live literally within view of the 2 ATI owned buildings and their one rented building in suburban north Toronto. I think he walks to work. While he isn't in the division responsible for the Radeons, he says he hasn't heard of any delays anywhere in the company that would preclude an early spring launch. He noted the approximately 3-6 month cycle for desktop cards and 6 month cycle for mobile. We saw laptops with the M9 (Radeon 9000) starting last fall, the laptops with 7500 were around since spring last year so it's reasonable to conclude this spring, not summer, release of complete systems with M10.

Here's some more food for thought indirectly related to this discussion: The mobile version is every OTHER desktop. In recent times, these have been the desktop models: Radeon 7500, 8500, 9000, 9500, 9700 and now simalteneously 9600/9800. The mobiles have been based on 7500, 9000 and now the 9700. The 9800's improvement over the 9700 is a slight increase in clock speed but the 9700's improvement over the 9000 is, among other things, a huge expansion of the data bus to 256 bits (quite more significant than a increase in clockspeed of 50 MHz which is about 16%).

If you get a Sager with M10 this spring, you'll have a half year ahead of anyone else with non-Clevo notebooks to enjoy the world's best mobile graphics. For example, Sony's current model still uses the 7500 and their GRV680, their first with the M9 (Rad 9000) which I saw at CES in Las Vegas last month, is not due until sometime in early March from what their rep said. Therefore, a Sager with M10 bought early in the cycle this spring should have the most kickass graphics until spring 2004 reletive to the industry as a whole (Clevo ½ year ahead, ½ year supremecy of that latest graphics). That represents the most optimized value for the money...a year being a very long time in this business.

I coudlent care less about the M11 right now.

The reason i am waiting is because i think the M 9000 is the first good GFX card for a laptop. But still well under PC standards.

The M10 is suppost to be the equivalent of the 9700. And with a card liek that you can run all the game ont he market event he ones to come (Doom III). Plus its AGP 8x and supports DX 9.

Its worth the 2 month wait.

Sorry for double posting guys but what i think Yale ment is that the M10 might get released in april but having it ready to ship in Sagers is another thing..

If you take for example Nvidia Go 440 took about 2-3 months afer its release to ship in most major laptops...

On the other hand ATI's M9000 shipped in Dells and other modles only 1 week after the announcment of its release.

So who knows?

sager and other clevo clones have the new graphics cards very quickly. Check out the ATI website where it lists all of the laptops using the 9000M, almost all of them are clevos/sagers. Dell 8200 and some compaq that you cant buy yet are the others. As soon as the m10 comes out it will very quickly be in a sager.

I doubt the m10 will be out in april

I doubt even may but hey I dont mind since im going to get my sager around august :P

I'm right there with ya, man!

With all this speculation of the m10 I was wondering if anyone has the clock speeds of the 9700, the m9 and the m10. I am sure if I searched I would find this but, I am lazy.

You can already get a 3.6 in a 5660.. Is there something i don't understand here?

my guess is march announcement with actual availability in May/June.

It's 3.06 and you can't order it with the 5660 because Sager feels it's unfair to charge the customer for a product they can't fully use. Of course I am referring hyperthreading being disabled. Companys like hypersonic and Alienware who sell their version of the 5660 with the 3.06 do not have hyper threading enabled and are in a sense decieving their customers. Hyperthreading is now available on the 8887 though.

To clear up any confusion I might have caused:

The m10 -MAY- be "announced" in April. This is being optimistic.

However, even if it is, you will NOT have a Sager with it by then. Laptop designs take a LONG time. It is not like a desktop video card. Sager can't just swap this kind of a thing because of issues like heat. I mean, take a look at the 3.06 GHz. It is STILL not available in ANY 5660-equivalent with HyperThreading working. What does this mean? Clevo isn't exactly going to churn out a thousand different mobile designs per week.

So all in all, how does this apply to the m10. Well,after it is announced, and released, you will have to wait for companies to actually put it in somewhere. In some cases, this has taken as little as -months-, in some other cases, it might take more than a half a year. Two cases in point: the HT-enabled 5660, and the nVidia 4200 Go card. They have taken a pretty damn long time, huh?

In addition, for those who think the m10 will be a desktop Radeon 9700, whoa, have you got another think coming. As usual, the mobile implementations are BASED in the desktop cores, but they are always STRIPED down. What does this mean? Yes, you will get a DX9-compliant part, but you will certainly NOT get the full performance of the desktop version.

Just doing some clarification. Also, the expression I've used is "you've got another THINK coming," not THING, as some people utilize and may have you believe erroneously.

Cheers.

lol, yale.

Well, my hopes are still up and I'd prefer to not be let down until April.

I've noticed one good thing about pessimists...they're never disappointed.

Ah... the romantic. Soon, you shall learn. Hehehe.

Cheers.

after waiting so long it's too late for me now to buy 5660 with R9000, better to wait couple more month then be sorry, and i know my luck if i buy 5660 with R9000 the next day both 3.06 and R9700 will come out, and i'll be sooo pissed off

I would like to point out that 7 days after the release of the M9 it was already shipping in laptops.

So i mean you never know..

This is what me and Vortex are hoping for.. a repeat of that with the M10. And, I'd be willing to bet that 3.06 and HT will be in there before the M10, so we'll be all set, and ready to buy.... I HOPE.

Okay will the M10 be released by July? That is the LATEST I can wait before heading off to college.

I really hope it's out by then...