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post #1 of 62
8/13/06 at 3:53am
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Hey guys,

I have been experiencing very slow boot times and I am in dire need of assistance. As you can see from my signature, my system should be blazing through the boot process, but instead it is dragging over a minute to do it.

I was told to give Bootvis a try and I have; numerous times. I have optimized the system with it no less than 5 times and this seems to be as fast as I can get. I have also defragmented my system and done a Disk Cleanup as recommended.

This is what I got from Bootvis after my last analysis:



1) Why isn't there any information for the other graphs? I have seen a lot of screenshots from people where all the graphs contain data. Only these 3 graphs have information on them for some odd reason.

2) How do you read the "Process Creates" graph?

3) What can I do to get this system booting up faster? What resources seem to be the culprits?

Thanks everyone in advance. Your assitance is greatly appreciated.
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post #2 of 62
8/13/06 at 8:27am
forget all the graphs.. i just format and reinstall if windows starts to act retarded and I can't figure it out. formatting and reinstalling with all the latest drivers works wonders for speed.
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post #3 of 62
8/13/06 at 10:27am
.PoNeH,

Forget the advice from brutaldm, unless, of course, you want to spend the rest of your life formatting and reinstalling Windows everytime it acts weird!

Now, i'm no expert, but looking at your graphs, it seems that startup is normal until around 30 seconds. It is at this point that Disk utilization spends most of it's time at 100%.

Looking at the processes that are loading previous to this, i'd look closely at scardsvr.exe. For SmartCard users, it is known to be problematic. Try going into your Services control panel, and disable the service "Smart Card". Then reboot.

The other option is spoolsv.exe, your print spooler. If you have a flakey or corrupt printer driver, this could be causing your issues.

If neither of those two work, then try running MSCONFIG and setting it to diagnostic mode and rebooting. This will disable everything but the basic services and required executables during Windows startup. If diagnostic mode starts up normal, then you need to troubleshoot, one by one, everything else using MSCONFIG again.

Over two minutes to startup is definitely too long! My M1710 starts up in around 30 seconds. If you want, I'll swap computers with you!!!


Good luck!
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post #4 of 62
8/13/06 at 10:31am
Oh yeah, one last thing. We must consider the fact that you brag (in your sig) about only paying 1/3 of the normal cost of your computer.

I'm sure you've heard the cliche "You get what you pay for!"
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post #5 of 62
8/13/06 at 12:45pm
...Lancorp, are you that upset he got a good deal? Anyways...

Poney, please don't post images like that, use a thumbnail with a link....When you do that is completely hoses all the margins & makes ads appear in the middle of the screen.

First things first, open up bootvis, make sure the "stop tracing" option is NOT available under the trace menu. If it is available click on it to stop the trace that is continuing to run even after the boot process is complete.
Once that is done look for the boot trace file by doing a search for "Tace_boot". Delete the file. Next, select the option Next boot + Driver delays" under the trace menu. It will ask you to reboot (or auto reboot in 10 seconds)

As you can see from my attached file (click twice to enlarge x2) my boot times run around 19 seconds. This includes Noteboot Hardware Control, Zone Alarm, Logitech Setpoint...

I have disabled services that are not needed (help & support/smart card/etc...) I do not use Dell BT drivers or the Intel proset software (it's junk)... This is my normal bootup.

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post #6 of 62
8/13/06 at 12:46pm
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There, I modified my signature hoping that karma won't get to me again.

Lancorp, I really appreciate all of your advice and I am taking them to diagnose this problem.

Now, what will disabling Smart Card do? As far as print spooler goes, I don't have ANY printer drivers installed. I haven't really had the need to install one yet.

I'm going to run a diagnostic boot up to test and see if things start up fast, then I'll diagnose one component at a time. I have already done this a while ago with my video drivers, bluetooth, ZoneAlarm, and really didn't see any sign ificant decrease in boot time.

I'll let you know what I discover...
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post #7 of 62
8/13/06 at 12:52pm
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SolApathy, thanks a lot for your advice as well.

I have heard that the BT drivers are quite demanding on the machine; which ones do you currently use? Is it the ones from the sticky? How difficult was it to install them? I have tried installing those, but its seems quite intensive to get them to work.

Also, are you using the basic Windows wireless control? Is it good enough? Do I need to have Zero Configuration running for them to work?

I will do as you say and see if I get better results as well.

Thanks again guys...
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post #8 of 62
8/13/06 at 1:01pm
Yes I am using the Windows wireless control, and yes you need the wireless zero config running if you want to use the 802.11 WiFi. As far as BT is concerned I just installed the BT drivers & did not opt to install any accociated bloatware with it. It's been 4 months since I installed it and can't remember exactly how I installed the driver. I believe I just got it off of Dell's site.

Here is the correct link to my bootvis

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post #9 of 62
8/13/06 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by SolApathy
...Lancorp, are you that upset he got a good deal? Anyways...
No, I wasn't upset at all. Did you miss the laughing icon at the end of the message? It was a joke. He was complaining how slow his computer was, so I related that to the fact that he paid 1/3 of normal price, so his performance is 1/3 of normal. I could care less how much anyone pays for their computer. Where did you get that I was upset?
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post #10 of 62
8/13/06 at 1:08pm
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See SolApathy, how come you have all the graphs displayed? Mine doesn't do that. What's going on?
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post #11 of 62
8/13/06 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by .PoNeH
There, I modified my signature hoping that karma won't get to me again.

The comment about your sig was meant in jest...I don't think your computer problems are karma-related!!!
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post #12 of 62
8/13/06 at 1:23pm
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I know Labcorp.

He might have overlooked that.

I have ran the diagnostic bootup, and it took 45 secs to bootup.
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post #13 of 62
8/13/06 at 1:31pm
did you follow my instructions on checking bootvis to ensure it is not doing an active trace...etc? Are you running a Dell bloatware install or a clean install of Windows?
...And please resize that image or remove it lol ads are right in the middle of the posts!
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post #14 of 62
8/13/06 at 4:51pm
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I followed your instructions. So hang on, the boot time you guys are talking about does not include the loading of all the services?

I still don't get the other graphs. Just the same ol' three.
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post #15 of 62
8/13/06 at 5:48pm
the boot time reflect the time at which you have access to open applications. As you see my time to boot is 19 seconds, which menas at that point I can access anything I want.

That doesn't mean there aren't background services still running, just that the GUI is loaded.

Uninstall bootvis, go to the web & download & install it again, see if this solves your problem...

...Have you disabled any services prior to running bootvis, such as event monitoring services to speed up your boot itme?
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post #16 of 62
8/13/06 at 7:16pm
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These are the changes I made:

- Creative Service for CDROM Access changed to MANUAL
- Help and Support changed to MANUAL
- NICCONFIGSVC changed to MANUAL
- NVIDIA Display Driver Service changed to MANUAL
- Rio MSC Manager changed to MANUAL
- Smart Card changed to MANUAL
- All Intel services changed to MANUAL
- Removed IntelWireless from regedit
- Removed IntelZeroConfig from regedit
- Changed Security Center to MANUAL
- Changed Imapi CD-ROM to DISABLED

When do you start counting boot time?
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post #17 of 62
8/14/06 at 3:05am
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I have installed the WIDCOMM Bluetooth drivers and that alone shaved 10 seconds form my boot time.

I'm getting there, slowly but surely.

Now I have also reinstalled Bootvis and I still can't get those graphs to show. Can anyone help?
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post #18 of 62
8/14/06 at 11:06am
The only thing that affects that graphing are the reporting services. With that bad of a boot time I could really only offer 1 suggestion...Download all the windows drivers for your laptop and place thme on another partition & then reinstall a clean version of Windows.

You could disable everything that is optional (and you installed) from services and reboot the machine to see if you boot fast...Then re-enable the services 1 by 1 until you find the culprit
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post #19 of 62
8/14/06 at 5:24pm
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I think my boot up is finally down to what I wanted. I installed the WIDCOMM drivers over the Toshiba ones and that seems to have been the major culprit. However, I still can't get these graphs working. I don't know if it is a process issue as my process include all the ones that you are using.

I'm so confused.
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post #20 of 62
8/14/06 at 5:41pm
. Poneh, could you PLEASE edit your first post & remove that pic you inserted??? It is playing hell with the magins I have ads in the middle of the posts so I cannot see allo of what you are saying.
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