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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I'm ready to buy a dv8000t. Primary use will be software development, so I'm getting the 2 GHz core duo, and 2 GB RAM.

Would like INFORMED comments about the choice of drives.

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SPEED vs SAFETY
7200 rpm 100 GB Fast, but if it crashes... no mirror.
5400 rpm 2 x 80 GB, 2 x 100 GB... Slower, but possible mirroring, I guess.

MIRROR
I don't know anything about mirroring. Is it practical? Necessary? In my 10 years of IT work, I've never had a crashed drive. Never.

EXTERNAL DRIVE
I will eventually get a large USB external drive for sliding stuff onto for safety.

Thanks!
post #2 of 11
As far as external drives, if you need to store anything larger than a couple GB then consider getting a WD Passport drive (otherwise flash drives will do, of course). I have the 40gb passport and it's a great drive, 100% silent and 100% powered by the USB port, although it's larger than, say, a 2.5" drive in a 2.5" drive case. I'm not sure about the shock resistance of it - I haven't dropped it (yet) but it seems to be quite durable.

I'm getting ready to buy a dv9000t (perhaps you should wait too?) with similar specs - I'll get the core 2 with around 2ghz, 2gb of ram, and I too have wondered whether to get 7200rpm or 5400rpm. I think I'm gonna go with the 7200rpm cause I play games pretty often (I'll be able to play much better games with the dv9000t so I'll probably become more of a gamer), plus I just don't like waiting. I want to double-click the fox and be able to browse immediately. Of course that's assuming there will be a 7200 rpm drive... Right now, the dv9000z doesn't have one, but I'm pretty sure they will add it when the dv9000t comes out - and if not, I'll buy a notebook drive from another company and use the 5400rpm drive that the notebook comes with as a slave, for backup or something.
post #3 of 11
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm still running my zd8000. I replaced the 100GB 5,400rpm drive with a 100GB 7,200rpm drive and haven't noticed much difference in access speeds with the drive. I thought I would get almost desktop-like speeds, but no such luck.

You may or may not notice a speed increase, but it will still be minimal.
post #4 of 11
I am not very knowledgeable when it comes about what a software developer needs from his/her computer, my only programming experience is using C++ and Turbo Pascal for a few semesters around 9 years ago and I am sure things have changed plenty in the mean time.

If most of the time you are using applications that are reading and writing large chunks of data the 7200 RPM drive may be the best choice for you. However if storage is more of an issue for you the dual 5400 RPM drives may be the way to go. It really all depends on your needs.

I would go with the dual HDD set up for 2 reasons. First, the laptop my company got me for use at home and on the road has a 7200 RPM drive, and for what I do I haven’t noticed any significant performance increases over 5400 RPM HDDs I have used in the past. However, this may be because the applications I use and/or the type of computing I do may not really see any benefit from the faster drives while people using other applications may really benefit from a 7200 RPM drive. Secondly, I have yet to see any conclusive data that proves a faster hard drive is substantially more valuable to system performance. From all the discussions and articles I have read it seems like you’ll find 10 people who think a faster drive makes a huge difference and 10 people who think it makes a nominal difference.

Since I haven’t seen any significant benefit from a 7200 RPM drive I’ll be ordering a dv9000 with dual 80GB drives. For my needs spending $139 for dual, 5400 RPM, 80GB drives makes more sense than spending $116 for a single 100 GB, 7200 RPM drive. I need storage more than the nominal performance increase I am personally seeing from the 7200 RPM drive.

However, if you know for a fact that the 7200RPM drive is going to provide you with a measurable performance increase I would suggest you go with that option.

Here’s an interesting article on 4200RPM, 5400 RPM and 7200RPM drives that has much better technical information than I could ever give. It’s from December 2004 so it may be out of date, but I think the general principal still holds true.

http://www.powernotebooks.com/articl...=fullnews&id=5

I have never mirrored my drive. But for the amount and type of software I use it’s not particularly valuable for me. I keep the amount of software on my machines down to what is absolutely necessary, with just a handful of ancillary programs, and I back up all of my important data religiously. So if I do have a crash I just need to use the recovery discs, or reinstall my OS, and other programs, and it wouldn’t take very long to get my machine back to where it was. But if you have loads and loads of programs, and custom skins, or other things that would make it very time consuming or difficult for you to get your notebook back to where it was mirroring would probably be a good choice for you.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to mirror or backup to a drive that’s on your notebook though. It would help if one drive crashed, but let’s say you dropped your notebook or spilled or it was somehow damaged, there’s no way that you can be sure the hard drive containing the mirror would remain undamaged. I think any type of backup would be best done to an external drive or desktop.
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
Ricky, Chief, Jav... thanks for your posts. They are very helpful in affirming my tendency toward a dual-drive config.
post #6 of 11
Rokhead,


I am of the mindset that while you can mirror a drive on the notebook itself via a software raid (as the dv8000t does not support a hardware raid)... that you should backup (image) the drive to an external enclosure as well.

I'd mirror (image via a program like Arconis True Image, Ghost v8.3, or Ghost Corporate 2005) the contents of the drive to an external enclosure... or to server.
http://radified.com/Articles/laptop.htm
http://ghost.radified.com/

Reasons to image the drive /data... even if you do decide to mirror the drives on the notebook itself:


1: You drop the laptop... gets' run over by a truck.
2: Laptop get's "bumped", jarred.... not good -Yea you can mirror the drive on the unit itself, but if the machine is running when it's jarred the mirrored drive "may" be history as well.
3: Laptop gets stolen.
4: OS won't boot, you get a virus...

While there are bunches of external hard drive enclosures on the market I'd consider the Apricron Ez-BUS-DT*-Kit units I've linked to before. These units using a desktop hard drive (which is cheap- 250 gig for $50? after rebate?)


BTW: While some don't mind having to re-install" the OS, their apps, etc.... With the Apricron unit and the OEM copy of Arconis True Image you can restore a hard drive within minutes.... Start the restore process and come back and it's done... With everything right like you left it BEFORE the data loss.


I'd consider a external enclosure with USB and FIREWIRE. The Apricorn EZ-BUS-DTC-KIT is a good choice:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...329619?ie=UTF8
post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

Apricorn

Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreNotAlone
Rokhead,
I'd consider a external enclosure with USB and FIREWIRE. The Apricorn EZ-BUS-DTC-KIT is a good choice:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...329619?ie=UTF8

Just read your review at Amazon.com. Anyone asking the questions I did at the start of this thread should go read about this Apricorn device.

Thanks!
post #8 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreNotAlone
Rokhead,


I'd mirror the contents of the drive to an external enclosure... or to server.

I am of the mindset that while you can mirror a drive on the notebook itself via a software raid as the dv8000t does not support a hardware raid... that you should backup (image) the drive to an external enclosure as well for the below reasons:

1: You drop the laptop... gets' run over by a truck.
2: Laptop get's "bumped", jarred.... not good -Yea you can mirror the drive on the unit itself, but if the machine is running when it's jarred the mirrored drive may be history as well.
3: Laptop gets stolen.
4: OS won't boot, you get a virus...

While there are bunches of external hard drive enclosures on the market I'd consider the Apricron Ez-BUS-DT*-Kit units I've linked to before. These units using a desktop hard drive (which is cheap- 250 gig for $50? after rebate?)


BTW: While some don't mind having to re-install" the OS, their apps, etc.... With the Apricron unit and the OEM copy of Arconis True Image you can restore a hard drive within minutes.... Start the restore process and come back and it's done... With everything right like you left it before the data loss.


I'd consider a external enclosure with USB and FIREWIRE. The Apricorn EZ-BUS-DTC-KIT is a good choice:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...329619?ie=UTF8

I'm thinking about doing something like this instead of just selectively backing up data. I have a quick question though. Let's say I have a 250 gig external hard drive and I normally copy photos, music, etc to it. Can I use True Image to copy the laptop drive to that same external hard drive that has other data on it (and I'd like to still keep adding data to it), or do I need a separate dedicated drive for something like that?

Thanks!
post #9 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie NYC
I'm thinking about doing something like this instead of just selectively backing up data. I have a quick question though. Let's say I have a 250 gig external hard drive and I normally copy photos, music, etc to it. Can I use True Image to copy the laptop drive to that same external hard drive that has other data on it (and I'd like to still keep adding data to it), or do I need a separate dedicated drive for something like that?

Thanks!

Sure if you have the space on the drive

You can do selective backups of just certain files, or make an "image" of the entire partition, the entire hard drive..

Storing the images, as many as you want if you have the disc space.

The image is just a like a big zip/rar file....

For example on my desktop machine I have a 23-gig image of XP_PRO +2003_OFFICE+ a bunch of other installed apps in case I need to do a "restore" of the OS.... having all my apps, the OS confiqured...
post #10 of 11
Oh, one more thing... I believe when doing a system restore on a PC it has to have a USB interface, FIREWIRE won't work when trying to restore the OS... So if you're looking to be able to "image" your hard drive keep that in mind.

That's why I bought the DTC, it having both interfaces. Also bought a DT (usb only)

Best money I ever spent.



The below is a repost I just made in another thread, hope it helps someone:

After spending more time than I care to admit I bought two Apricorn EZ-BUS-DT*-KIT enclosures. These units using 3.5 drives (As 3.5 drives are ALLOT cheaper than 2.5)

EZ-BUS-DT-KIT = USB 2.0 , ide 3.5
EZ-BUS-DTC-KIT = USB 2.0 , FIREWIRE 400 ide 3.5
EZ-BUS-DTS-KIT = USB 2.0 , SATA 3.5

Note that this is a KIT, you installing your own drive.( which takes all of about a minute and 1/2) The company also has pre-builts,, and because of such has real world experiance in supporting the end user (unlike other companies which only sell the enclosure)

KIT + say a 250 gig drive, the 250 gig drive costing like $50 after rebate? makes for a very cost effective solution. Note that by buying the drive seperate you get a longer warranty sometimes...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...t=true&ie=UTF8


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...SubCategory=92

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/mess...hreadid=496281


PS: The Apricron units use the BEST chipsets on the market... if you're concerned about protecting your data. This is the external enclosure to buy!
It has the (2) BEST chipsets there are on the market !!!!

USB 2.0 = Cypress: CY7C68300
FIREWIRE 400 = Oxford 911+
post #11 of 11
I saw the other threads on second drives, but does anyone know of a good second internal hard drive to buy that will work with the HP 8000t. Would like to get another 100 gig 7200 and I just ordered the bracket from HP but am not spending $500+ on their supported drive. Just to clarify, any second drive will work, but the shock protection won't work? Is that right? If so, is it necessary or can it just be ignored?
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