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Is this a true statement on RAM?

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"We recommend 533 Mhz 4-4-4-8 timing DDR2 for the lower latency over the 667 Mhz chip with 5-5-5-15 latencies. In 99% of your usage you are going to get more performance from this RAM due to the tighter timings than you would from higher bandwidth."

I thought 667 Mhz would be faster...?

The system I'm looking at would have 2 meg with a T7400 Merom.
post #2 of 9
yes that is what I have always heard, and yes I would say it is true the 533mhz has a lower latency so the faster speed in the 667 is kinda nulified. Also the 533 is usually cheaper.
post #3 of 9
that statement is true
post #4 of 9
I believe so and our system fsb is bottleneck at 667MHz so I'm guessing even dual channel 533MHz which is 1066MHz isn't going to help out either.

Actually my bad! The new merom chipset has a system bottleneck at 1066MHz which is perfect for dual channel DDR2 533MHz.
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Originally Posted by Emotion
I believe so and our system fsb is bottleneck at 667MHz so I'm guessing even dual channel 533MHz which is 1066MHz isn't going to help out either.

Actually my bad! The new merom chipset has a system bottleneck at 1066MHz which is perfect for dual channel DDR2 533MHz.

DDR533 with lower latency is the better.
post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by Kugin
I thought 667 Mhz would be faster...?

Again, welcome to marketing. Just like Intel wanted you to believe the higher the megahertz/gigahertz, the faster the processor.
post #7 of 9
I can't be bothered explaining in detail but a cas latency of 5 on 667MHz RAM is the same actual time delay as a cas latency of 4 on 667MHz RAM. Basicly CAS latency is measured in ram clock cycles, not real time, so that's why the latency is identical. 667MHz RAM has a higher bandwidth, which is where any performance benefit comes from. But yeah, difference is negligible, so get whatever is cheaper.
post #8 of 9
I'll try to explain what Madzombie was saying, because he's right.

The CAS latency measures the number of RAM clock cycles taken to perform one particular operation. CAS4 = 4 clock cycles to complete that operation.

With DDR2-533 (which runs at 266.66Mhz), each clock cycle takes 1/266,666,666 seconds. With DDR2-667 (which runs at 333Mhz), each clock cycle takes 1/333,333,333 seconds.

An operation requiring four clock cycles with DDR2-533 RAM will clearly take 4/266,000,000 seconds = 1/66,666,666 seconds. An operation requiring five clock cycles with DDR2-667 RAM will take 5/333,000,000 seconds = 1/66,666,666 seconds. Essentially, both operations take the same time. It takes more clock cycles on DDR2-667, but those clock cycles happen faster.

It's a lot like CPUs. A P4 3Ghz and an A64 3000+ take about the same amount of time to do most things. Each operation takes far more clock cycles on the P4 - but it's running 1.2Ghz faster. The overall speed is the same as the A64 (less clock cycles per operation, but each clock cycle takes longer to complete).

That said, it's a bit irrelevant because of another technical detail: Merom's FSB can transfer 5333.33MB/s of data. Dual-channel DDR2-533 can easily provide 8533.33MB/s of data. The bottleneck here is Merom's FSB. Even if you put in DDR2-10000 (80GB/s), data can still only get to and from the CPU at 5.33GB/s.

The only times you're likely to see benefits from DDR2-667 are:

(1) If you're running in single-channel.

(2) With a HyperMemory or TurboCache video card. GMA950 doesn't count because it's too slow to make full use of system RAM anyway.

(3) Response times. I'm not so sure about why this is, but my desktop system definitely felt much more responsive when the RAM was running in-sync with the FSB (it's a Pentium-D 805, so the FSB was 533Mhz. Using DDR266 RAM in single-channel felt quicker than DDR333 in single-channel, even though the system really could have used the extra bandwidth there).
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Originally Posted by SLATYE
That said, it's a bit irrelevant because of another technical detail: Merom's FSB can transfer 5333.33MB/s of data. Dual-channel DDR2-533 can easily provide 8533.33MB/s of data. The bottleneck here is Merom's FSB. Even if you put in DDR2-10000 (80GB/s), data can still only get to and from the CPU at 5.33GB/s.
Nice explanation, but data bandwith of all RAMs should be constant 5.33GB/s, but it isn't in benchmarks. Why?
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