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post #21 of 40
8/19/06 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by robbie d.
alright I'm going along just installing it normally off the cd.... I deleted the HP recovery partition & left the quickplay one alone, but now there is 14214MB of "unpartitioned space"... should I install windows to this partition? Cuz I would have thought that I should install it to C: but I don't want to waste 15GB on "unpartitioned space" that I can't use. edit: alright I took that 14+GB and made it a new partition, and I plan on installing xp on that partition. Is this ok? It's now formatting the new partition to nfts. edit #2: damn I'm thinkin I shouldn't have done that... should I just leave the unpartitioned space and install windows to C:, so it cleans out the crap already on that drive? Or will C: be cleaned even if I installed windows to another partition?
Recovery partition deleted -OK Quickplay intact -OK OS partition, there...-OK You could install the OS to the 14 gig partition, that is doable... C: OS 14 gig D: Programs apps (old OS partition) QuickPlay OR You could do this: C: OS + APPS about 70 gig+/- D: Create a partition for your DATA.- of about 20-30 gig QuickPlay 1024mb (1 gig) But note Quickplay 2.0 has been reported NOT to install if there partition on the drive other that the OS drive (C:\\)... You can ONLY have the OS partition,No other partitions except QuickPlay...Other wise the QuickPlay installer will freak out. This is for QP 2.0... 2,1 may be differant and they've made the installer "smarter".. You what to leave the free space after the C drive and before the QucikPlay partition to create a DATA partition AFTER the OS, and QUICKPLAY has been re-installed"... What I'd do is Delete the OS partition currently on the drive... combining the 14 gig of free space + whatever the OS partition currently is making ALL of it FREE space to be formated as above. Example: 100gig... about 94 gig? after formating.. OK you have 94 gig, minus 1 gig needed for QuickPlay. Format drive as such Leave the QP partition alone for now.. (1 gig) Make a primary partition of say 70 gig (which will end up being your C drive) Leave the 23 gig as FREE space... this could be larger or smaller.. depending on what size you make the OS partition bigger.. The rest you leave 23 gig (or the number of your choice) is because if you're SMART... and pay attention.. Is because you NEVER want your DATA to be on the SAME partition as the OS +your apps.... NEVER... PS: You're going to CREATE a seperate partition for your DATA... after you install the OS, and you get QuickPlay working again. Why would I want to do that? Putting your DATA on the same partition as your OS is like putting pictures of your great, great grandmother (that can't be replaced) in the kitchen and then the kitchen catches on FIRE and everything is lost. Sooner or later XP is going to die (not boot, catch on FIRE) and with your DATA on the same partition as the OS that makes it hard to preserve your DATA. You're more than likely going to lose ALL your data if you have the data on the same partition as the OS. Smart thing to do is to keep the data on a seperate partition (or hard drive) from the OS.. So when you do have to do a re-install , or "restore' of the OS... your data is safe. **** So create a primary partition for the OS (C:\\drive), fiquring out how much space you want to reserve for your DATA.... Install the OS, then get QuickPlay back up and working.... then after QuickPlay is working you create via disc management a partition for your DATA from the FREE space you left after C drive. Once formated this will become your D drive. Once thing I always do is once I have the OS "up" I change the dvd/cd drive to "Z"... so it ALWAYS stays the SAME letter... no matter how many partitions you create, or delete... WHY? because allot of programs "look" to the drive they were installed from, and if the drive letter is differant it can create problems. Got to run, need to go get some lunch, and I'm running 6 hours behind on that.... Some sites you should check out: http://radified.com/Articles/laptop.htm This guide shares insights on the subject of hard drive partitioning. Here you will find strategies for the best way to partition your new hard drive. http://partition.radified.com/
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post #22 of 40
8/19/06 at 9:36pm
Alright.... but shouldn't I make the SMALL partition (in your example, 23GB) the place I install the OS (and later on, apps), and leave the other 70GB as free ("unpartitioned"), so I can turn it into a data partition later? Cuz I would think I'd want the bigger partition for data....
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post #23 of 40
8/19/06 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by robbie d.
Alright.... but shouldn't I make the SMALL partition (in your example, 23GB) the place I install the OS (and later on, apps), and leave the other 70GB as free ("unpartitioned"), so I can turn it into a data partition later? Cuz I would think I'd want the bigger partition for data....

SURE...

I was just using the 70/23 as an example. Just fiqure out what the OS + your APPS are going to need.. and fiqure in a little "growing" room.. Fiqure out how much you want for your DATA.

You could even put the OS on a very small partition(C:\\), put the apps on another (d:\\) and the data on another (E:\\)

That's nice because your apps are "there" if you need to do a re-install of the OS...

BUT, given the small size of notebook drives you find that your always running out of disc space.

Best option is to put the OS+ the APPS on C:\\ (whatever size you want), make a partition for the DATA... (D:\\).. and set your DVD DRIVE as "Z"

And then use an external hard drive to make IMAGES of your OS+APP drive... and DATA drive....

Making backups of your DATA drive weekly.... Having the OS "image" as a way to "restore" the system and be back up and running within minutes.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...230414?ie=UTF8


BTW: You can DELETE the QUICKPLAY partition and re-install if needed. The trick, at least with QuickPlay 2.0 was that only FREE space is to be after the OS partition. QuickPlay not installing if it "sees" another partition.. (such as your data partition)
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post #24 of 40
8/19/06 at 10:41pm
Here is a new problemo:

Drive C:/ is about 60GB total, 44GB free... THIS ONE STILL HAS THE FACTORY media center installed... because I didn't touch it-- I installed xp on the D partition to which I alotted 14GB... after that, for a stupid reason I deleted this 14gb partition, turning it into unpartitioned space. My setup was then like:

C: 60gb
14gb unpartitioned space
F: 1gb quickplay partition
(My HD is 80gb total)

It said I couldn't do a new install on C because it contained "temporary setup files needed for install" or something...

So now I'm gonna kind of retrace my steps. Here's my gameplan:

Re-create the 14gb partition, and install windows on it. Then, I want to delete the 60gb partition, because it's still got the old xp bloatware install + the swsetup folder (which I don't need cuz I have backed up). Then I should have 1 14gb partition, the 1gb qp partition, and about 60gb of unpartitioned space.... Now I'll install both quickplay folders, since you said it works best while there's only one main partition. THEN, I will re-create a 60gb partition, either before or after I install the rest of the stuff I want from my swsetup backup disks.... sound ok?

Oh, and the other question I have is: how will I delete/create partitions without going through a reinstall? I heard someone mention "disk management"?
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post #25 of 40
8/19/06 at 11:15pm
C drive should be the first primary partition.... and that's the drive you want to install XP to. It would be better to find out a way to delete the current 60 partition and re-create than to do as you suggest as you're going to have to MOVE the OS partition, into the slot that 60 gig Os partition currently resides in.

What I'd do is to use a disc partitioning program, or heck even good ole Fdisk... to delete (or format) the 60 gig partition that is giving you the error message.

I guess you could also use a disc partitioning program to move the 14 gig partition into the free space that the 60 gig OS partition is currently on, once you've installed the OS to the current 14 gig free space.... but that's really the hard way.. (and makes for potential problems)


PS: You asked about disc management? Right click on the "My computer" icon, then select "manage"... then navigate to "DISC MANAGEMENT"... once there you will see ALL of your partitions, hard drives.... Free space.... You can create, or delete from there..
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post #26 of 40
8/19/06 at 11:32pm
I just had a big post ready to go and my browser crashed. Here is my situation thru disk management's view:

C drive: Basic, NTFS, Healthy (System)
60gb capacity, 44gb free space. Has the original bloatware install that I can still boot into by selecting the second media center OS at the black boot-up screen.

F drive: Basic, NTFS, Healthy (Boot)
14gb capacity, 11gb free. Has the bare-bones, basically useless brand new xp install. I'd like to install my swsetup folders on a drive of this capacity, but not until I can get rid of the c drive..

The 1gb QP partition is still there.

Then there's the optical drive, which I renamed z.

After browsing around I've learned that you can't delete system or boot partitions. .... And the c drive is the system part and the f drive is the boot part....

Which sucks, cuz I don't need ANYTHING on that c drive.... so how do I fix this? It looks like I got cluster****ed goddamnit!


You've been a lot of help so far wearenotalone... think you could tell me the fastest way I could end up with this setup:

C drive: 14gb, contains clean xp install + selected programs from my swsetup disks

D/G/F whatever drive: 60gb, for my data

Other "unknown" drive: 1gb quickplay

I hear what ya say about the disk partioning program... but the xp version I'm currently logged onto is basically useless! Like I said I can still log onto the bloatware-infested version which is still functional... but I don't see how that would help cuz it looks like ultimately I need to find a way to delete that C partition, then re-create a C partition with only 14-15gb of space instead...... how can I get it to not appear as a "system" partition?

EDIT: I'm now logged onto the bloatware OS, and here the "F" partition is listed as "D", and it's deletable (no longer listed as "boot".... obviously because the bloatware/factory OS does not rely on any files from that drive. But the C drive remains a system drive.
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post #27 of 40
8/20/06 at 12:16am
Fastest and best way is to delete the offending partitions.

But if you're trying to do that via Disk Management in Windows, it's not going to let you.

Google partition Magic,

Better yet... READ thru the links I already posted...

Should be links within that point towards free disk partitioning tools.




Hiren's BootCD v7.9

I think that has several differant partitioning programs on it. Stick the disc in, reboot, and then select which one you want to use.
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post #28 of 40
8/20/06 at 12:32am
Here's some tools

Hiren's BootCD 8.1 - All in one Dos Bootable CD which has all these utilities.


Partition Tools:
- Partition Magic Pro 8.05 - Best software to partition hard drive
- Acronis Disk Director Suite 9.0.554 - Popular disk management functions in a single suite
- Paragon Partition Manager 7.0.1274 - Universal tool for partitions
- Partition Commander 9.01 - The safe way to partition your hard drive,with undo feature
- Ranish Partition Manager 2.44 - a boot manager and hard disk partitioner.
- The Partition Resizer v1.3.4 - move and resize your partitions in one step and more.
- Smart Fdisk 2.05 - a simple harddisk partition manager
- SPecial Fdisk 2000 - SPFDISK a partition tool.
- eXtended Fdisk 0.9.3 - XFDISK allows easy partition creation and edition
- GDisk 1.1.1 - Complete replacement for the DOS FDISK utility and more.


Disk Clone Tools:
- ImageCenter 5.6 (Drive Image 2002) - Best software to clone hard drive
- Norton Ghost 8.3 - Similar to Drive Image (with usb/scsi support)
- Acronis True Image 8.1.945 - Create an exact disk image for complete system backup and disk cloning.
- Partition Saver 3.11 - A tool to backup/restore partitions.
- COPYR.DMA Build013 - A Tool for making copies of hard disks with bad sectors
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post #29 of 40
8/20/06 at 2:07pm
Robbie, Robbie, Robbie, ... I feel you pain with all of these advanced fishing instructions!

No insult, but you are at the point where things are sounding really confusing and I've been doing this a loong time. I think you should stop and go back to the beginning and figure out WHAT you want to do. If it is what you originally asked, (reinstalling MCE with SATA drivers), then you need to focus there and forgo the partitioning questions till you get more experience.

You said: "alright I'm going along just installing it normally off the cd..." which implies that you have an HP provided OS install CD. If so, then you are set and can just follow a few steps, reading the Reinstall posts for more info.

1) Boot the OS install CD
a) Delete ALL partitions, except the last ~1GB QP partition
b) Create a New OS partition = NTFS = 14GB
c) Install to the new partition = C:
d) Make sure the OS is working and do any setups you want

2) Go into Disk Management, where you should see:
C: = 14GB
Unpartitioned = ~60GB
Uknown = ~1GB
D: = CD/DVD drive

- Change the Drive letter for the CD to E:
- Create a New D: partition on the disk and use ALL of the space
- Format as NTFS (quick should be fine)

3) Restore / copy back your swsetup folder to the C: Drive
- Install QP Direct and make sure it works
- Install any other Apps that you want

This is probably the easiest way that will keep you from making too many choices that screw up something else.
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post #30 of 40
8/20/06 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by AmigaDude
1) Boot the OS install CD a) Delete ALL partitions, except the last ~1GB QP partition b) Create a New OS partition = NTFS = 14GB c) Install to the new partition = C: d) Make sure the OS is working and do any setups you want 2) Go into Disk Management, where you should see: C: = 14GB Unpartitioned = ~60GB Uknown = ~1GB D: = CD/DVD drive
Alright bear with me man, I successfully burned/loaded/used that Hiren CD and I finally DELETED the C partition, and made the 14GB one my primary. Now, the 14GB partition is showing up as the C drive, there is 60gb of unpartitioned space, and a 1gb quickplay partition. If I load the winxp install cd, would it be okay to just push "enter", and install the OS over the existing 14gb partition? Cuz it seems redundant and time-consuming to delete that one, then create it again, then install the OS on it when I already have a partition with the size I want.... but then again I am obviously not an expert, look where I got myself lol. Uh... if anybody has suggestions advising for/against this move or whatever, could ya respond within 5-10 minutes.... cuz otherwise I think I'm gonna try to install xp on that 14gb partition. edit: okay, I COULDN'T install xp on the existing 14gb partition, because it 'needed some setup files' or something. So I deleted that one, then created a new one, about 14gb, and now I'm formatting this as NTFS & installing windows on it. It didn't take long at all to delete/re-create, which is great. Hopefully I'm on the right track. ehh..... now once I finish this fresh install, and my xp desktop screen is all blurry, and I don't have any useful programs... I will be able to get all that back thru the swsetup discs, right?
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post #31 of 40
8/20/06 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by AmigaDude
Robbie, Robbie, Robbie, ... I feel you pain with all of these advanced fishing instructions!

No insult, but you are at the point where things are sounding really confusing and I've been doing this a loong time. I think you should stop and go back to the beginning and figure out WHAT you want to do. If it is what you originally asked, (reinstalling MCE with SATA drivers), then you need to focus there and forgo the partitioning questions till you get more experience.

You said: "alright I'm going along just installing it normally off the cd..." which implies that you have an HP provided OS install CD. If so, then you are set and can just follow a few steps, reading the Reinstall posts for more info.

1) Boot the OS install CD
a) Delete ALL partitions, except the last ~1GB QP partition
b) Create a New OS partition = NTFS = 14GB
c) Install to the new partition = C:
d) Make sure the OS is working and do any setups you want

2) Go into Disk Management, where you should see:
C: = 14GB
Unpartitioned = ~60GB
Uknown = ~1GB
D: = CD/DVD drive

- Change the Drive letter for the CD to E:
- Create a New D: partition on the disk and use ALL of the space
- Format as NTFS (quick should be fine)

3) Restore / copy back your swsetup folder to the C: Drive
- Install QP Direct and make sure it works
- Install any other Apps that you want

This is probably the easiest way that will keep you from making too many choices that screw up something else.



But I'd change the drive letter of the DVD drive to Z so it never changes.
(Usefull if you add/delete partitions/drives... use an external hard drive.)

Also another thing is it's "good" policy to run that BIOS hard drive test to check the drive BEFORE doing "stuff"..

And once you create the install partition (C: 14gig), do a FULL COMPLETE format so the drive again is checked for errors. Doesn't take that much longer... and could save you alot of grief.
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post #32 of 40
8/20/06 at 5:28pm
Alright, looks like I'm getting somewhere. I'm now running a skeleton version of Windows. (Recycle Bin is the only icon)

Best of all, disk management reads:

C: 14.16gb NTFS Healthy (system)
_ 1gb NTFS healthy (unknown partition)
_ 59.37 Unallocated.



Glad we got that part outta the way. So I guess I should try to install the 2 quickplay programs from my swsetup disk? I should install them to the.... C drive, right?
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post #33 of 40
8/20/06 at 7:48pm
Now,,, while you have a fresh install of windows..

Image the drive with Ghost, True Image
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post #34 of 40
8/20/06 at 10:38pm
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8. After that run Windows again and install following directory contents (all from SwSetup):
- Video (GM950 drivers for me)
- WLAN2 (wireless lan adapter)
- NETWORK (only right click on the e100b325.inf file and run Install.. which will make it automatically work)
- Chipset (loads of intels chipset drivers)
- QLB (function buttons and quickplay buttons drivers)
- MISC2 (which is the Ricohs driver for the Media Card Reader)
- Touchpad (not really necessary, but useful)
- BTOOTH (if you do have BT)
Okay I installed all these + the audio & modem (& didn't have trouble there like you did), and also installed WLAN (broadcom 802.11 adapter?) sunjava, the sonic burning software, and maybe 1 or 2 other small things I'm forgetting. But then when I restarted the computer I got hit with "Pci.sys Is Missing or Corrupt" in DOS mode.

I looked around, found the MS support site, and fixed the problem by following their 1st method listed...

Restarted, and then windows booted up fine... except now, I can't get on the internet.

Any suggestions? This is a never-ending saga...
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post #35 of 40
8/20/06 at 10:53pm
aight, I found a folder on one of the swsetup discs called "default", went into that and launched a program to restore factory settings for windows. It looks like it worked, I'm online now!



And nobody else gives a shit!
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post #36 of 40
8/21/06 at 1:11am
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Originally Posted by robbie d.
And nobody else gives a shit!
On the contrary, the whole point of my visiting these forums is to collect information about HP laptops, so that I will be ready when the dv9000t comes out and I buy it. Now that you posted the problem and the solution, I will know what to do if I ever run into the same problem. So, I give a shit. lol. I'm glad you actually posted the solution too. Some people just go "oh sorry guys i fixed it. nvm." and that's no help but you gave all the details of how you went about solving your problems, so it would be a lot of help if I ever run into the same thing.
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post #37 of 40
10/14/06 at 4:31am
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Originally Posted by robbie d.
do I really NEED to "slipstream" sata drivers into the install? Is there another way? What would happen if I just tried to install media center and then the programs I want off of the swsetup backup cd?
if you not slipstream sata drive winxp will not fine the harddisk. I dont know about media center cd , xppro2 dont find harddisk in my case.
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post #38 of 40
10/15/06 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by dipu007
if you not slipstream sata drive winxp will not fine the harddisk. I dont know about media center cd , xppro2 dont find harddisk in my case.

FYI, another option is to simply disable SATA support in the BIOS before installing, and just re-enable it once you've installed Windows and downloaded the drivers. Haven't tried this myself yet, but has been reported to work by others.
F10 key opens the BIOS on my machine (dv5000) and is presumably the same across the HP line.
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post #39 of 40
10/15/06 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by monobeg
FYI, another option is to simply disable SATA support in the BIOS before installing, and just re-enable it once you've installed Windows and downloaded the drivers. Haven't tried this myself yet, but has been reported to work by others.
F10 key opens the BIOS on my machine (dv5000) and is presumably the same across the HP line.


Yea... I started a thread about that the other day after responding to many posts over the past 6 months on the subject.... and not one single person has bothered to post in the thread....

Posted pic's and everthing.... and reference links to more info on the subject and on info on Slipstreaming the needed drivers into a Xp install disc.

HP Notebook PCs - How to add Serial ATA (SATA) driver to a Windows Installation


http://www.notebookforums.com/thread177675.html

NOTE: One thing really "neat" about slipstreaming, making your OWN XP install disc is you can create a XP install disc with ALL your APPS on it, and automate the install process... So you just stick the disc in and walk away... Instead of spending HOURS, installing one program at a time... and having to reboot every five minutes!!!
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post #40 of 40
10/16/06 at 3:54am
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Originally Posted by WeAreNotAlone
NOTE: One thing really "neat" about slipstreaming, making your OWN XP install disc is you can create a XP install disc with ALL your APPS on it, and automate the install process... So you just stick the disc in and walk away... Instead of spending HOURS, installing one program at a time... and having to reboot every five minutes!!!

I didn't know you could do that! I can see it being an advantage, but what if you want to reinstall in a year when you've updated those programs? You're going to have to uninstall the old ones and reinstall the new, or make a new disc.

I think I'm going to slipstream all my drivers on, so I don't need to go through that process, but leave software off. Would having drivers like the chipset drivers and WiFi drivers (which need to re-boot after each one is installed) slipstreamed in the disc cause any potential problems, or is it all pretty safe?

By the way, slipstreaming would work with the Norton emergence boot discs, to install a SATA driver on those, right?
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