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return/collection of laptops and responsibility?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi there,

I was wondering who is responsible when a Laptop, that needs to be collected for a replacement, goes missing in between the postal service that Dell hires and Dell.

A few weeks ago, the postal service contaced me to come and pick the Laptop from my house. They said they would pick it up at a specific time. They never came at that time and I was not home when they came. They left a note that they will be picking it up tomorrow. I left the Laptop with a friend at my house, the postal service guys picked it up from her and everything was fine. Yesterday I got a call from Dell here in New Zealand that they did not get the Laptop and that they would like to organise someone to pick it up. I told them I dont give birth to Laptops, nor are there any on the tree as it is winter you see. I got quite pissed off as I already went through this.

Now Dell said they are investigating where the Laptop is and sending their CSI unit as they never got the Laptop, the postal service says they never picked it up, and Dell here in New Zealand dont know anything. Who is responsible in this situation? Will I have to fork out another $4000 NZ because of somebodys stupidity?

NB: That the contract I signed between Dell and myself for my replacement was that I would return the faulty notebook with all the power cables, cds and manuals that it came with. So that means my replacement maybe sent back as they claim they never got the "faulty" laptop.
post #2 of 18
I'm very sorry to hear about your problems getting your laptop to Dell.
Reading this I can't help but think it was stolen, sure it could have been a simple mistake and it could have been lost but I find this highly unlikely. In my area all packages are tracked via computer. If the package was never listed as "picked up" that makes me think theft. If it had simply failed to be scanned into the computer system it would have still arrived eventually and the mistake would have been noticed and corrected a little farther down the pipe so to speak. But whatever the cause and to awnser your question I'd think Dell bares the responsibility. Even in the case that its absolved itself from responsibility in some small print, from a customer service standpoint they should make it right.

I'm glad they are doing an investigation, I don't expect it will turn up your laptop however but it should result in a total replacement from Dell I would think.

Wish you the best of luck. What a terrible laptop horror story.
post #3 of 18
Thats the reason why I always drop off my laptop all packaged at the designed shipping company (had similar problems with 'pickup schedule' when I was shipping my 100lb sony monitor in for warranty a few years ago).
Plus, do you have any kind of shipping label leftovers that will help you with tracking the package... as in... I usually have to use DHL for my return shipping of my laptop so I scan the complete shipping label they provide, then when I stick it on there is a small number code left over that is my "proof" that I sent it off as it matches the barcode on the shipping label.

Good luck with finding out what happened and getting things resolved.

D.
post #4 of 18
I'll always return the stuff myself... personally handing it over to the delivery guy & also making sure that he signs (name, date, time) on the Dell packing slip that I keep for future records...
post #5 of 18
RE: I left the Laptop with a friend at my house, the postal service guys picked it up from her and everything was fine.

Mosh,


Hmmm... Any chance your friend could ID the postal carrier that picked it up?

Or is the carrier saying he/she never took ownership?


You said something about DELL researching all of this... (I would assume because a call-tag was issued, right?)


Regardless of who started the investigation..

In the USA I would think that by what you've said the postal carrier may have stolen the unit and the postal service would be called in to do an internal investigation.

Investigating that carrier to find out where the unit is.

(My brother in-law is a US POSTAL INSPECTOR)
post #6 of 18
Thing is though, in the US Dell doesn't use the USPS for anything really. They use DHL or UPS. Or in the case of new product orders, whatever carrier the customer chooses if they have an account.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by MrEvil
Thing is though, in the US Dell doesn't use the USPS for anything really. They use DHL or UPS. Or in the case of new product orders, whatever carrier the customer chooses if they have an account.
Yep, you're quite right... I was going by the wording of the OP, him saying the "postal service" never picked it up. (OP being in New Zealand.) Regardless, whatever company that picked it up should be doing an internal investigation.
post #8 of 18
any update on this story?
post #9 of 18
I sent mine back just today, of course I had the return label that dell sent with my replacement laptop also shipped it in the same box as per the instructions, Have a receipt as well as the tracking number.......Hope your laptop is found soon.....

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post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Sorry I forgot about this thread.

Dell are still looking into the 'investigation'. I have been constantly talking with one of the customer care reps who has been really good. She has been talking to the returns here in NZ, and also been talking to the Courier. We have Courier here in NZ which use electronic signatures and names when picking up the package. The interesting thing is, my friend said that nothing was asked. The guy said that he was there to pick up a "package" for Dell. It was a Courier van so she handed over the Laptop in the box. She sadly cannot ID the Courier as it was a month ago.

Dell said they are contacting their management team and will get back to me by Monday with an answer on what happens, who bares the responsibility.

Even if Dell ask me to pay, which I hope they dont, it will be interesting to see what they say considering the returned laptop was practically as useful as a brick. The motherboard was fried, the screen panel cracked (through one of the Dell technicians attempting to change the screen and damaging it) and the video card possibly faulty rebooting my laptop during games.
post #11 of 18
this is odder than odd. you would have received a copy of the shipping receipt, or at the very least written down the tracking number. If you didn't, then you are SOL. The only thing to do is file a police report for the stolen item.

if the courier has record, and you can prove the record, then it's an issue between dell and the courrier. you would have no part of dell's claim on the courier. however, it seems you do not have any record of shipping the item and cannot prove the item. this will be a hard lesson for you to learn.
post #12 of 18
Thats just Bizzare
I send stuff Via Courier all the time and keep the Customer Sticker on the sticky note that you put on the package, I guess cause it was Via a Dell Box there is no record for that?
Does your friend remember the colour of the Van, at least knowing which company picked it up, asking for pictures of the local Couriers in the area and seeing if anything jogs your friends memory or looking at the note you were given to see if it had names/ Courier Numbers?
(p.s im a NZer so I would love to know who the Gumby Courier is)
post #13 of 18
even if dell box, the dell box has tracking number on it.
post #14 of 18
If I understand you correctly, Dell sent a Box to ship your replacement back with and supplied you a carrier to call so it could be shipped back, if so they are now responsible for tracking down the laptop not you, also if you followed their instructions you are not liable for the loss in any way....its between them and the carrier... no one else is going to know you had a laptop to return so its only logical that the carrier you called is the one who picked it up.... Its Dell's problem now.....
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by warlord
If I understand you correctly, Dell sent a Box to ship your replacement back with and supplied you a carrier to call so it could be shipped back, if so they are now responsible for tracking down the laptop not you, also if you followed their instructions you are not liable for the loss in any way....its between them and the carrier... no one else is going to know you had a laptop to return so its only logical that the carrier you called is the one who picked it up.... Its Dell's problem now.....
I was thinking the same thing.... WHO else would know there was a call tag (or whatever you want to call it) issued? mosh... You said it was a "Courier van"... Was this a generic van.... OR one with the Courier Logo on the side of it? Was the courier WEARING a courier outfit, shirt, uniform??? Surely your "friend" would not release the item to just anyone in a van?, correct? (and your friend is trustworthy?) Regardless, who would know that there was a pick-up for DELL?
post #16 of 18
when dell says we are going to replace you system. you will get a m1710 and we will collect the m170. does that mean the m1710 is mine forever? :P
post #17 of 18
Yes, its yours to keep.....Dell will then tranfer any remaining warranty onto your replacement system..... only problem in this case is they will not tranfer anything until the old system is returned to the depot.... so its going to be a pain.....

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post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Denz
Thats just Bizzare
Does your friend remember the colour of the Van, at least knowing which company picked it up, asking for pictures of the local Couriers in the area and seeing if anything jogs your friends memory or looking at the note you were given to see if it had names/ Courier Numbers?
(p.s im a NZer so I would love to know who the Gumby Courier is)

Apparently it was a Courier called BAX. The Van was yellow to the best of her knowledge.

Quote:
Originally Posted by laffingbilly
this is odder than odd. you would have received a copy of the shipping receipt, or at the very least written down the tracking number. If you didn't, then you are SOL. The only thing to do is file a police report for the stolen item.

if the courier has record, and you can prove the record, then it's an issue between dell and the courrier. you would have no part of dell's claim on the courier. however, it seems you do not have any record of shipping the item and cannot prove the item. this will be a hard lesson for you to learn.

I do not think that is the case. It is an issue of process. Liability, as per the law of tort uses the test of negligence. That is if I could reasonably foresee that giving the Laptop to my friend, who would give it to a Courier van would result in the Laptop going missing. Clearly I could not reasonably foresee this. Therefore I am not liable.

I rang Dell today as I was really sick and tired of this issue dragging on. I told them that I was not liable for any loss and that I had followed every single instruction that was given to me to return the laptop. That I did not act negligently and could not be liable for any loss as I was not to blame. They told me that they agree that Dell's return process was confusing and not clear. They said that Dell would bear the cost of the Laptop and that they would be sending me some coupons as a result of this dragging on. So seems like everything is being sorted out finally.
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