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ATI Mobility Catalyst/Driver 6.8 (m6805)

post #1 of 17
8/18/06 at 9:15pm
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i can not confirm on any other machine (except for the targa 811 series):
--- if u have not yet updated to 6.8 - DO NOT!
i tried everything, cleaning up with driver cleaner, ati un-Installer, registry clean, tweaking ati registries etc ... but bottom line is that this version of ATI mobility (6.8) is really a pain in the derrière.
it is the first time ever that i notice that ati departs from its standard pci pipeline read & write. by forcing the tweaks back, the system will just come to a crawl - it was already crawling w/o the tweaks
disappointed, but i guess somewhere at sometime the 9600/9700 will no longer be supported as far as making the most of the card, from the software stand-point

but then, if i am wrong, do drop a note and instruction, since i really enjoyed the ati driver

cheers ...
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post #2 of 17
8/18/06 at 11:48pm
I've been using it for a few hours with no problems exhibited yet. I haven't done any benchmarking or gaming, but it certainly has slowed my system to a crawl.
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post #3 of 17
8/19/06 at 12:30am
Im using 6.7 now with no noticable effects. I'll take you advice on the 6.8 and stay away. For pure gaming, i recommend using XP 64 bit. Playing Hitmman 2 and Vice City on x64 is..Wow. Has a huge difference on my 9600. No comparision to x32 Windows. Wow emulation has more effect on games than I could imagine.
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post #4 of 17
8/19/06 at 5:09am
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Originally Posted by jabba2
Im using 6.7 now with no noticable effects.
6.7 is an excellent stock ati driver version that i came across, i noticed the improvements ati has made since 6.4, was hoping that they'd carry on

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.. For pure gaming, i recommend using XP 64 bit. Playing Hitmman 2 and Vice City on x64 is..Wow. Has a huge difference on my 9600. No comparision to x32 Windows. Wow emulation has more effect on games than I could imagine.
i m thinking seriously about making the lightspeed jumping to this x64 platform, got a good machine, why not push it. i pushed pretty much everything else i could think of

i set the current 6.7 with
- anisotropic filtering optimization (enable)
- trilinear filtering optimization (enable)
- triple buffering (enable)
- smartgart: played with different tweak, but finally left it to ati stock settings, no negative effect, before 6.7 i used to turn the fastwrite off due to some performance stability,
and WoW just glides effortlessly frame to frame. do get some extra effects as well, but ur observation under x64 definitively is tempting

cheers ...
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post #5 of 17
8/19/06 at 12:44pm
Ran a few tests and there no slowdowns going from 6.7 to 6.8
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post #6 of 17
8/19/06 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by Thunder_PC
Ran a few tests and there no slowdowns going from 6.7 to 6.8
normal un.install & re.install then? my (biggest) complaint would be when u r on the net, either with IE (in my case 7 beta2) and firefox, scrolling was such a pain 2nd complaint when running theming on xp, it is always a lag from when u click to the time the response coming back cheers ...
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post #7 of 17
8/19/06 at 7:48pm
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3rd try is a charm

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Ran a few tests and there no slowdowns going from 6.7 to 6.8
so went back again (ati uninstaller) - no go! again (this is my "basket" case, others may get luckier): 1. disable internet connectivity, so be sure to download all tools, drivers before start. 2. windows software un-install (ati ccc, ati driver, ati unInstaller) - ignore all requests for reboot until after the last one 3. after reboot: cancel windows hardware found driver installation, run SmartGart un.installer (utility from ATI, tip from a friend), run DriverCleaner on everything related to ATI and perform a CabDriver Clean. This thing will take up to 6 minutes (in my case) 4. reboot, again ignoring/cancelling windows hardware found message 5. run RegSeeker and clean all registries boo-boo 6. reboot 7. ignoring/cancelling again windows hardware found 8. install 6.8 (no CCC in my case) 9. reboot - follow system message, et voilà ... 10. this driver (6.8) DO WORK! but man, what a pain to go thru the above steps, especially with the SmartGart and CabDriver clean - may be it is just my system - but then again earlier version was so simple with just the ati un.installer ... cheers ...
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post #8 of 17
8/19/06 at 9:18pm
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for some queries regarding cabDriver Cleaner:
CabDriver Cleaner is part of driverCleanerPro 1.5 (freeware)
http://www.drivercleaner.net/

accessing this option under Tools->CabCleaner->there u have the option to clean Driver.CAB, click "start", go get a cup of coffee

cheers ...
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post #9 of 17
8/20/06 at 12:37am
I never uninstall/reinstall unless there is a major change in the driver. I just update the driver. Unless you are installing release that is built considerably different, or a pre-tweaked version (i.e. omega, etc), there is nothing to gain from running uninstallers/cleaners, but lots to potentially botch. The main reason for using them is for situations like what you ran upon when installing 6.8; if something just doesn't go right and you need everything ATI related out.

At any rate, glad to see step 10 in your "3rd try is a charm" post.
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post #10 of 17
8/20/06 at 4:01am
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Originally Posted by qhn
6.7 is an excellent stock ati driver version that i came across, i noticed the improvements ati has made since 6.4, was hoping that they'd carry on


i m thinking seriously about making the lightspeed jumping to this x64 platform, got a good machine, why not push it. i pushed pretty much everything else i could think of

i set the current 6.7 with
- anisotropic filtering optimization (enable)
- trilinear filtering optimization (enable)
- triple buffering (enable)
- smartgart: played with different tweak, but finally left it to ati stock settings, no negative effect, before 6.7 i used to turn the fastwrite off due to some performance stability,
and WoW just glides effortlessly frame to frame. do get some extra effects as well, but ur observation under x64 definitively is tempting

cheers ...

The only problem is games can be a little buggy at times, maybe depending on the specific driver and settings, and the framerate doesnt show much difference but graphics are clearly improved. I havent tested many games on X64 though, just the two i mentioned. Vice City at night everything just lights up, which it doesnt do in XP pro.

Internet is another story especially when using a wireless usb adapter like i do. I cant find any drivers to work, though i did patch together a working 56k modem driver.
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post #11 of 17
8/20/06 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by Thunder_PC
I never uninstall/reinstall unless there is a major change in the driver. I just update the driver.
except for ati, i never do this step to any other

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Originally Posted by Thunder_PC
Unless you are installing release that is built considerably different, or a pre-tweaked version (i.e. omega, etc), there is nothing to gain from running uninstallers/cleaners, but lots to potentially botch.
a complete clean up was being performed from 6.3 to 6.4, since 6.4 i use nothing but ati - and funny enough, they do have a section on their site recommending using the ati un.installer

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Originally Posted by Thunder_PC
The main reason for using them is for situations like what you ran upon when installing 6.8; if something just doesn't go right and you need everything ATI related out.
my (un)luck - as mentioned

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Originally Posted by Thunder_PC
At any rate, glad to see step 10 in your "3rd try is a charm" post.
ditto, got 6.8 popped like a good piece of firework in my desktop, quite an improvement, plus ur 2nd remark mentioning that it was working. that made me revisiting the installation on my laptop

cheers ...
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post #12 of 17
8/20/06 at 5:23am
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Originally Posted by jabba2
The only problem is games can be a little buggy at times, maybe depending on the specific driver and settings, and the framerate doesnt show much difference but graphics are clearly improved. I havent tested many games on X64 though, just the two i mentioned. Vice City at night everything just lights up, which it doesnt do in XP pro.
agreed, currently i do use some atitray tweak to move through the games, picking up recommendation here & there from game enthousiasts. graphic improvement is a good thing, i notice it under vista also
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Internet is another story especially when using a wireless usb adapter like i do. I cant find any drivers to work, though i did patch together a working 56k modem driver.
i dig into this some more, we have an informative thread here on 64-bits drivers, my friends are moving more and more into this area, in a way just saying "hey, my machine is still beating a bunch of newbies in price & performance" cheers ...
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post #13 of 17
9/1/06 at 12:44am
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Originally Posted by qhn
except for ati, i never do this step to any other a complete clean up was being performed from 6.3 to 6.4, since 6.4 i use nothing but ati - and funny enough, they do have a section on their site recommending using the ati un.installer my (un)luck - as mentioned ditto, got 6.8 popped like a good piece of firework in my desktop, quite an improvement, plus ur 2nd remark mentioning that it was working. that made me revisiting the installation on my laptop cheers ...
I got BRAVE so installed the ATI Mobility 9600/9700 Catalyst 6.8 Drivers on my 7405GX seems to work no problems so far, I'm not a gamer so don't really notice anything different, installed the DRIVERS only, NOT the Control Panel ,the Driver Date is: 8/2/06 and the Driver Version is: 8.282.00 http://www.ati.com/online/mobilecatalyst/ Also using the 7422GX (BIOS NS.00.05) Newer than my 7405GX (BIOS 52.00.01) the 7422GX Bios seems to work very well my CPU fans hardly come on now, like they did with the old BIOS I was using
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post #14 of 17
9/1/06 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by qhn
disappointed, but i guess somewhere at sometime the 9600/9700 will no longer be supported as far as making the most of the card, from the software stand-point
I was browsing over at Beyond3d and saw this thread the other day;

"All support for X8xx architecture and below has been dropped starting CATS 6.6."

They are usually up to speed with the 3d hardware and software scene so I would take it that all enhancements and bug fixes are for Radeon X1xxx and above related products now, anything X8xx and below is just fine with 6.6, or would it be 6.5?

regards,
JohnC.
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post #15 of 17
9/1/06 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by bridder
I was browsing over at Beyond3d and saw this thread the other day;

"All support for X8xx architecture and below has been dropped starting CATS 6.6."

They are usually up to speed with the 3d hardware and software scene so I would take it that all enhancements and bug fixes are for Radeon X1xxx and above related products now, anything X8xx and below is just fine with 6.6, or would it be 6.5?

regards,
JohnC.
well my take is that after 6.4 it was kinda like a flat line to 6.5, since then it has been picking up consistently. i figure that by injecting some of their own tweaks inside the new release, ati is trying to catch up, shall we say the spin side, of the marketing of the new hardware. i notice that even omega and dna drivers, these gentlemen started having such a hard time since 6.5
i fervently believe that after this 6.8 (or was it 6.7), like what u mentioned, anything below the x800 is irrelevant. one just has to accept that newer hardware, newer apps, things must be moving on.
personally, i m holding on to my current system investments, so far i have not yet seen a new hardware that really impresses me yet. technology - absolutely! the way manufacturers put these technology together, hmmmm, the jury is still out.

cheers ...
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post #16 of 17
9/1/06 at 6:13pm
I'm kinda in the wrong place here as I don't have a m6805, I have a mx8554b uk model, but I'm in the same boat as I have older ati hardware (x700), I pop in every now and then to see of any new developments or models etc...

It's scary though, I bought my Gateway laptop (love it) under a year ago and driver support is shifting focus to newer models...

As you say, "one just has to accept that newer hardware, newer apps, things must be moving on".

regards,
JohnC.
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post #17 of 17
9/1/06 at 6:37pm
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actually the x700 is quite a dandy one. i personally recommend ati driver for the x series
nice machine u have, but typical gateway(eMachines), only do thing half derriere:
1. x700, but only 64mb dedicate,
2. 100gb hdd but 4200rpm
3. etc ...
i wonder sometimes what these guys were drinking or eating when they decided to offer such a machine.

cheers ...
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