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post #41 of 155
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I think we in Germany prefer quality .. maybe that's the fact why I'm the only one with this kind of quality expections...

and if I buy a car where the windows don'tt go down properly I go to my car seller and want him to fix it ... and believe me he will!
post #42 of 155
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Originally Posted by Firestarter
I think we in Germany prefer quality .. maybe that's the fact why I'm the only one with this kind of quality expections...

and if I buy a car where the windows don'tt go down properly I go to my car seller and want him to fix it ... and believe me he will!
The car vendor can't fix it because the windows can't go down due to the wheel cut being where the window needs to be.

thewird
post #43 of 155
Well I am sure that designers spent hundreds of hours on the chasis. I would imagine there is a specific reason that section of the keyboard is designed like that. Sometimes as the end user we can't always know what went into the choices that were made to make sure everything fits just right
post #44 of 155
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Originally Posted by thewird
The car vendor can't fix it because the windows can't go down due to the wheel cut being where the window needs to be.

thewird

Yeah if it's impossible due to the physical issues ... no problem, but I think to close the hole there is no issue standing against
post #45 of 155
I am in Germany. LOVE my M90. It is absolutely one of the most solidly built computers made. The wobbly feet should be addressed, outside of that it is not a design flaw. It is intended for better air flow for the vid card as previous posted. It is also there so you can properly get to the chassis to open it with a screwdriver without SCRATCHING the actual chassis. But hey what do I know? I just build and mod these things all the time...
post #46 of 155
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Originally Posted by Firestarter
Yeah if it's impossible due to the physical issues ... no problem, but I think to close the hole there is no issue standing against
I'm sorry but all this talk of holes made me think of s3x and sluts. YOU GOTTA PLUG HER HOLE CAPTAIN!

thewird
post #47 of 155
I wouldn't worry about that diminutive gap between the keyboard and keyboard bezel. Even if that gap weren't there liquid and stuff would still get underneath the keyboard. My D820 has a similar gap and I could care less. You only see it when you stare right at it.
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Originally Posted by chezouff
Quote edited for sake of brevity
I'm only going to say this once, but please don't troll the Dell forums. As someone that services both Thinkpads and Dell notebooks under warranty I'll tell you that Dell's latest products are quite well constructed when compared to a Thinkpad...not only that I find Dell's notebooks much easier to service than IBM's. Also, Dell's Laptop latches are a far sight better than those on Thinkpads (take apart a T43 and you'll see just how chintsy the latch is). I wish Dell's newer laptops broke more because I don't work on nearly as many Laptops as I did two years ago.
post #48 of 155
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Originally Posted by MrEvil
As someone that services both Thinkpads and Dell notebooks under warranty I'll tell you that Dell's latest products are quite well constructed when compared to a Thinkpad...not only that I find Dell's notebooks much easier to service than IBM's. Also, Dell's Laptop latches are a far sight better than those on Thinkpads (take apart a T43 and you'll see just how chintsy the latch is). I wish Dell's newer laptops broke more because I don't work on nearly as many Laptops as I did two years ago.

QFT. I would also add I have been working on these computers since the 8500 days (not as long as Mr. Evil) for my own purposes and the build quality improvements just from the 9100 and 8600 blow my mind. The 9200 and the following 9300 were a totally completely different level of quality. The M90 I have and the 9400 my wife has are unbelievable., I have taken her computer apart a good 20 times for modding purposes and the design is so good it is still like new (just be very careful with the screws). So to the guy talking about an I1000, I got news for you, it is not even in the same area code build-wise as what Dell has now.
post #49 of 155
Take the power button cover off, and look what that hole lines up with. Could it be to allow removing the LCD connector without having to remove the keyboard? Maybe it's not a flaw afterall.
post #50 of 155
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Originally Posted by operaman
I am in Germany. LOVE my M90. It is absolutely one of the most solidly built computers made. The wobbly feet should be addressed, outside of that it is not a design flaw. It is intended for better air flow for the vid card as previous posted. It is also there so you can properly get to the chassis to open it with a screwdriver without SCRATCHING the actual chassis. But hey what do I know? I just build and mod these things all the time...
To don't scratch the chasis there is another gap on the right handside of the laptop...so this can't be the reason...and not to metion that opening within the gap I complain about isn't very healthy for the notebook, but waht do I know *pfeif* I think until Dell gives me a statement we won't know waht the hole is for
post #51 of 155
I mean i guess you could call this a flame posting but thats a stupid generalized term, their doesnt need to be any arguments its just people pointing out their opinions...no need to get upset.

And my opinion from owning laptops for half my life, was that Dell seems to have had a reputation for building a really tight computer but their laptops nowadays arent much better then a Gateway or HP as far as build quality. And the ASUS Z71V i had was twice as sturdy, no creaks or nothing. It seems like when Dell is coming together now to build a laptop, well first off they dont build one laptop they build a laptop design or mold and base 4-8 different laptops off of one mold. The M1710 isnt that much different then the Inspiron 9200 structurally. So when they do come together they focus more on other things, it seems like they put just enough material to make the laptop hold together, this thing couldnt take much abuse.


But..... i love my dell, its got a nice fast 3d card and if you know what youre doing the Dells have the most robust upgrade path, and not even on purpose! You can take a Dell 9300 start off with an ATI X300 and go to a full blown top of the line 7800GTX. Other companies have tried to come together and get the MXM standard going to make upgrades better and possibly across companies. But Dell by having a huge (the biggest?) share of the laptop gaming market was able to make low to high end laptops and mix and match 3d cards between them. Its funny that all the laptop companies that used MXM couldnt come together, their was too much to lose for them to make a robust upgrade solution. Meanwhile, Dell simply by making a cheaper manufacturing process and making all the motherboards similar so everything can be made on the same assembly line made bigtime upgrades possible to people willing to take a risk.



But they focus on the specs and the numbers everyone else does, and i think their build quality has taken a nosedive.
post #52 of 155
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*nods*

Fully agree with you...
post #53 of 155
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Originally Posted by HomerJ
Take the power button cover off, and look what that hole lines up with. Could it be to allow removing the LCD connector without having to remove the keyboard? Maybe it's not a flaw afterall.
And that right there is EXACTLY what it is for
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Originally Posted by chezouff
I mean i guess you could call this a flame posting but thats a stupid generalized term, their doesnt need to be any arguments its just people pointing out their opinions...no need to get upset. And my opinion from owning laptops for half my life, was that Dell seems to have had a reputation for building a really tight computer but their laptops nowadays arent much better then a Gateway or HP as far as build quality. And the ASUS Z71V i had was twice as sturdy, no creaks or nothing. It seems like when Dell is coming together now to build a laptop, well first off they dont build one laptop they build a laptop design or mold and base 4-8 different laptops off of one mold. The M1710 isnt that much different then the Inspiron 9200 structurally. So when they do come together they focus more on other things, it seems like they put just enough material to make the laptop hold together, this thing couldnt take much abuse. But..... i love my dell, its got a nice fast 3d card and if you know what youre doing the Dells have the most robust upgrade path, and not even on purpose! You can take a Dell 9300 start off with an ATI X300 and go to a full blown top of the line 7800GTX. Other companies have tried to come together and get the MXM standard going to make upgrades better and possibly across companies. But Dell by having a huge (the biggest?) share of the laptop gaming market was able to make low to high end laptops and mix and match 3d cards between them. Its funny that all the laptop companies that used MXM couldnt come together, their was too much to lose for them to make a robust upgrade solution. Meanwhile, Dell simply by making a cheaper manufacturing process and making all the motherboards similar so everything can be made on the same assembly line made bigtime upgrades possible to people willing to take a risk. But they focus on the specs and the numbers everyone else does, and i think their build quality has taken a nosedive.
And once again, I agree there are much better built notebooks out there. Asus is my personal favorite. And have you looked at the price tag on them?? Not to mention, what's the best GPU you can find in one, an x1600?? Wooo. My wife doesn't need a great GPU, and likes a well built computer, so she has an Asus. I prefer something cheap and powerful, I have a Dell. Sounds to me like Dell isn't for the OP, so great, don't ever buy a Dell. Why is this even an issue??
post #54 of 155
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Hmm isn't the gap to small to remove the connector...my smallest screwdriver even fits in????

And I also said there is another gap at the right hand side of the power button cover and this gap is meant to do this!!! (take a look in your instructions....)
post #55 of 155
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Originally Posted by chezouff
it seems like they put just enough material to make the laptop hold together, this thing couldnt take much abuse.

But they focus on the specs and the numbers everyone else does, and i think their build quality has taken a nosedive.


I couldn't disagree more. The M90/1710/1705 systems are solid as a rock. You can stand on the mag alloy in these systems and they won't give. Dell's build quality today is so much better than just 3-5 years you can't even compare. I have been inside thousands of laptops in the last decade and these systems are as well built as any I have ever seen.
post #56 of 155
To address the first post.

1. I would say this is a design feature. I can think of a few reasons why this gap would be there. To increase/improve airflow for video card, to allow a technician easier access to the LCD when service was needed and this keyboard is likely shared with other systems to decrease cost. It will in no way effect the quality or durability of this system.

2. You got a bad LCD panel. Sharp/Samsung/LG Philips ship millions of panels every month, they are not all perfect. Thats what the warranty is for.

3. I would say this is likely due to something tweaking the chassis, maybe during shipping? This chassis is made of magnesium, it is NOT flexible like plastic so if something tweaked or bent the chassis it will likely sit uneven. I have seen this a few times with Latitude and IBM systems that use magnesium frames and a simple, light tweak usually resolves the issue.


These systems are extermely durable especially for the cost. FYI, I hate it when people pull the "nationality" card, it makes them sound arrogant and/or ignorant.
post #57 of 155
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I wasn't the first one pulling the so called nationality card...and I'm neither arrogant nor ignorant I just told how it's in my country and that's got nothing to do with the points you mentioned...ehmm and just to understand the whole sentence ... what's FYI (yes I'm willing to learn)
post #58 of 155
FYI = For Your Information

I love my M1710...it's awesome!
post #59 of 155
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Originally Posted by Firestarter
Hmm isn't the gap to small to remove the connector...my smallest screwdriver even fits in????

And I also said there is another gap at the right hand side of the power button cover and this gap is meant to do this!!! (take a look in your instructions....)

I wasn't saying the cable would fit through that gap. What I was saying is if you remove the power button cover (using the other gap at the right hand side like you mention) and THEN take a look at the LCD cable, you'll see that the hole you're calling a flaw is actually to let you pull out the cable without having to remove the keyboard.
post #60 of 155
I thought I would chime in with a definitive answer as to what that notch (or hole, to some) is for.

I know, for a fact, it is to help pry the keyboard control cover (bezel) off. Simple-ass answer for a simple-ass problem
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