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Merom for sale!!!!????

post #1 of 17
8/25/06 at 8:29pm
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Well I was nosing around ebay and guess what I found......

New Intel Core 2 Duo 2.16G T7400 Merom mPGA479 (OEM)
QLZT, B0-Stepping4, L2=4M, FSB667, EM64T supported
Ebay Item number: 190024719466
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post #2 of 17
8/25/06 at 10:01pm
id say that is a rip for what he is charging
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post #3 of 17
8/25/06 at 10:22pm
Engineering Samples, yea they have been out for a while now, a few people on the forums already have them, but it is a waste as they want upwards of 450+ bucks when they should be at at the end of this month or beginning of next.
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post #4 of 17
8/25/06 at 10:30pm
Yeah they have been on ebay for awhile... A little too much for the improvement they offer (at least in my case)
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post #5 of 17
8/25/06 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by KinzaKracker
Engineering Samples, yea they have been out for a while now, a few people on the forums already have them, but it is a waste as they want upwards of 450+ bucks when they should be at at the end of this month or beginning of next.
The most recent one on the forums has been selling them for $315 (for the T7200). That's much the same price as the T2500 costs now (same clock speed).
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post #6 of 17
8/26/06 at 4:29am
is 370 bucks too much for a t7400 Es?

According to this Anandtech the t7400 will be @ $423, I think that ACTUAL ES r the top of the line, WHy? well the beta proccess has to be already over, it has to be really cool to impress the testers, well thats only an opinion.
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post #7 of 17
8/27/06 at 1:59am
spam?
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post #8 of 17
8/27/06 at 3:54am
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Originally Posted by aLeX_CabRal
is 370 bucks too much for a t7400 Es?

According to this Anandtech the t7400 will be @ $423, I think that ACTUAL ES r the top of the line, WHy? well the beta proccess has to be already over, it has to be really cool to impress the testers, well thats only an opinion.
I wouldn't say they're "top of the line". Performance is identical to any other CPU, and they might not overclock so well (early chips tend to be poor overclockers because the manufacturing process isn't perfect).

The big advantage is that the multipliers are unlocked - but I'm not sure if that actually applies to the Meroms or not.
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post #9 of 17
8/27/06 at 11:38am
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spam?

How is reading "MY" thread spam???? Last time I checked you didnt have to open this thread and read it!!!!!
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post #10 of 17
8/27/06 at 11:41am
because you posted the same post in multiple sections of the forum. You only needed to post this once in the dell general section.
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post #11 of 17
8/28/06 at 3:27am
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Originally Posted by SLATYE
I wouldn't say they're "top of the line". Performance is identical to any other CPU, and they might not overclock so well (early chips tend to be poor overclockers because the manufacturing process isn't perfect). The big advantage is that the multipliers are unlocked - but I'm not sure if that actually applies to the Meroms or not.
Well, I have been like mad searching all I can, if the Chip that I will got will be Revision B0 Stepping 4, I easely will reach 3.2ghz with it, and it will be part of the lasts ES samples and part of the massive production, all the B2's to B4 were maded especially for Pages and Forums Bench's. A guy here said that it will be realeased today in some notebook pages, I hope it is true... but i dont think so, I think September will be the month when we see merom Out.
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post #12 of 17
8/28/06 at 7:49am
While that might be true in some CPUs, at least with the Conroes the opposite has been true to date. The guys at Xtremesystems.org have been reporting that the stepping 6 retail Conroes aren't clocking as high as the ESs... Of course, at this point it might be anecdotal.
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Originally Posted by SLATYE
I wouldn't say they're "top of the line". Performance is identical to any other CPU, and they might not overclock so well (early chips tend to be poor overclockers because the manufacturing process isn't perfect). The big advantage is that the multipliers are unlocked - but I'm not sure if that actually applies to the Meroms or not.
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post #13 of 17
8/28/06 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by uclajd
While that might be true in some CPUs, at least with the Conroes the opposite has been true to date. The guys at Xtremesystems.org have been reporting that the stepping 6 retail Conroes aren't clocking as high as the ESs...

Of course, at this point it might be anecdotal.
Interesting. I'm quite surprised about that - the other ES CPUs I've seen (in other chip families) have been pretty poor.

I'm not sure why that'd happen. If Intel can make CPUs clock high without too much trouble (which seems to be the case with the current ES chips), why wouldn't they use the same technique to make the retail chips clock high? It'd give better yields, and they could release higher speed grades (even though that's not needed right now).

Either way, if the current ES CPUs are overclocking well then that's good news for anyone who got one - and a bit of an incentive to try to get one.
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post #14 of 17
8/28/06 at 5:08pm
Well... I cant complain about OC, I will put it immediatly in my laptop, Btw I configured my laptop in the Dell Site (just as I have it Now, but now with the core 2 duo) and I dont know if im crazy or not but... Is a LOT more expensive than when I bought it... I will check all the price's cause its really weird... I dont think that the merom incresased $370dlls
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post #15 of 17
8/28/06 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by aLeX_CabRal
Well... I cant complain about OC, I will put it immediatly in my laptop, Btw I configured my laptop in the Dell Site (just as I have it Now, but now with the core 2 duo) and I dont know if im crazy or not but... Is a LOT more expensive than when I bought it... I will check all the price's cause its really weird... I dont think that the merom incresased $370dlls


buying a laptop now with a core 2 duo is cheaper than what it was yesterday with the core duo. Seriously.

I ordered a m1210 with a core duo 2.0ghz last friday and today saw that the core 2 duos came out, went to the dell site and configured the EXACT SAME m1210 but with a 2.0ghz core TWO duo and bam, it was infact $150 cheaper, so i immediatly called dell and got my order exchanged, and to make up for the $150 i upgraded my hd (80gig 7200rpm to 100gig 7200rpm for $50, which is ALSO CHEAPER than before, before it woul dhave been about a $85 jump betwee the two) and the $99 av package. Dell significantly reduced their prices on chips even though the new chips came out, although anywhere above the 2.0ghz mark on the core 2 duo the price gets NUTS. It woulda been $300 mre for the 2.16 and $700 more for the 2.33, so the 2.0 is the obvious choice. Anyways they still are ripping you off on the ram, but hte hard drive prices are MUCH better now. I saw now is the time to get a laptop through dell, before they are out of their firrst shipment of core 2 duos.

Hope this helps
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post #16 of 17
9/5/06 at 12:26am
One possibility is that the best-overclocking ES chips were hand-selected by Intel from the bins knowing that ES's tend to end up in extreme overclockers' hands before retail release, and that early reports of awesome clocks would build excitement. After all, selective binning of pre-release ESs is a helluva lot easier to do than with chips being mass produced. Just atheory.

I did see one guy get 9.00 in 1M SuperPi using an ES X6800 under liquid nitro.

BTW, I just got an E6600 ES (stepping 5) from said extreme overclocker that supposedly clocks 4.0GHz on air. Haven't had time to play with it yet.

The downside is that early steppings supposedly have some errata. Hope the errors aren't in anything I am doing!

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Originally Posted by SLATYE
I'm not sure why that'd happen. If Intel can make CPUs clock high without too much trouble (which seems to be the case with the current ES chips), why wouldn't they use the same technique to make the retail chips clock high? It'd give better yields, and they could release higher speed grades (even though that's not needed right now).

Either way, if the current ES CPUs are overclocking well then that's good news for anyone who got one - and a bit of an incentive to try to get one.
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post #17 of 17
9/5/06 at 3:23am
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Originally Posted by uclajd
One possibility is that the best-overclocking ES chips were hand-selected by Intel from the bins knowing that ES's tend to end up in extreme overclockers' hands before retail release, and that early reports of awesome clocks would build excitement. After all, selective binning of pre-release ESs is a helluva lot easier to do than with chips being mass produced. Just atheory.
Possibly. This sort of thing has happened before, but it seems a bit strange that they'd do it with ES chips (after all, the whole point of ES chips is that they don't leave Intel).

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Originally Posted by uclajd
I did see one guy get 9.00 in 1M SuperPi using an ES X6800 under liquid nitro.

BTW, I just got an E6600 ES (stepping 5) from said extreme overclocker that supposedly clocks 4.0GHz on air. Haven't had time to play with it yet.

The downside is that early steppings supposedly have some errata. Hope the errors aren't in anything I am doing!
4Ghz on air with a Conroe must be pretty spectacularly quick. I wonder how long it'll be before we have to start using SuperPI 10M instead of 1M just to make sure that there's a decent difference between the CPUs.

ES CPUs may have a few small problems, but I haven't heard of any major problems with the ones being sold. If your guess above about Intel deliberately hand-picking ES CPUs is correct, it'd make sense for them to only use the fully-working ones. The really dodgy ES cores probably just get dumped straight away - no point in designing chipsets/mainboards around a half-working CPU.
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