Just ordered a m3450

cool, same as mine, its crazy fast. i love mine

i have half life 2, bf2, counter strike source, americas army, and halo. all run good

With things like Quad-SLI running around I dont think your definition of "good" really holds water. Can you play them, sure, but to call the performance level "good" seems a bit of a stretch.

well seeing as how u just want to be an ass about everything your opinion doesnt really matter. when i say good i mean that it runs fine, not that it is amazing

Re: Game Quality

Games have different settings. I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that they would run "as good as" a machine that has a Quad-SLI, especially with all their settings maxed out in order to take advantage of every advanced ability built into the game. There's no question that the best game machine out there is still a dedicated desktop with all the bells and whistles that you can afford to put into it. Even the m5550 doesn't have a Quad-SLI, hence, it wouldn't make sense to use this particular technology (i.e., Quad-SLI) as a fair comparison to this laptop. If you're looking for a gaming machine that could run the latest and greatest games out there, there's no "true" replacement for the desktop. The m3450 is truly intended to be a "flexible" portable with the ability to run a limited set of games within certain limited constraints.

He can define it how he wants... he may have meant 'good' considering his expectations... so if he's satisfied... that's all that matters

Grow up Skrotum and quit crying, just because you have a garbage grfx card for gaming, doesnt mean being butt hurt about it, and duping others into thinking it is okay for gaming (is OK!)

If Quad SLI is at the top of the heap, and 6-7 year old cards that wont play them at all being the bottom of the pile, then there are many, many levels of performance in between.

"Good", to me sits near the middle, at lest close to it.

Yet to objectively place this integrated grafix card in the grand scheme of gaming between "doesnt play" and "Quad-SLI", not only is it NOT near the middle, but rubbing elbows with the other cards just above "doesnt play"!!! Any discrete DX9 card outperforms it, ATI/Nvidia integrated solutions outperform it, Some Discrete DX8 cards outperform it, and everything else is VERY VERY old! So being as this card tools around the bottom of the bucket as far as any grafix solution produced in the last 3 years, and stuggles with some dateing back 5-6 years, how exactly does it have "Good" gaming performance? It doesnt!

SO NOOOO it is not a "Good" gaming card, it is a "POOR!!!" one!!!

And no matter how you try to deflect truth with personal attacks Skrotum, YOUR WRONG, you do a disservice to this community by lying!! Go play some mario kart!

if its that big of a deal u can always disable it and install a new card, or take it out all together. not everyone is an avid gamer

Disable it wtf??? Install a new card wtf???
What planet r u on???
Laptops w/ integrated grfx CANNOT be disabled, nor replaced....?????

Im not trolling, while everyone's difference of "good" can differ- fine
But these claims are irresponsible!
I have never disputed that some games can be played, Im not self promoting here, accepting opinions that are more palatable is ok also, too many people come here seeking advice, and many of them return disappointed. Regardless of ones definition of "good", it is pure fact that the integrated grfx from intel is bottom of the barrel for gaming. You asked, that is an unopinionated answer, dont shoot the mesenger b/c u dont like the message.

acctually they can be disabled, and a new card can be plugged in, just there wont be enough room to put it in the case. if u took time to mess wth computers u would know that

Umm lets see, NO!

I work with computers everyday, while some chipsets allow the odm/oem a choice, when integrated is asked for, space ignored, it still cannot be done!
Again what planet r u on??? You obviously dont understand computer hardware.

And Corner,
Most people are usually grateful when someone gives them an honest answer even when its not one they would like to hear.
No I dont have one, yes I know more than you about it, and if you dont like the answer - quit asking questions and get the F- out of here!!

actually i can be done, i have sen it done, and have done it myself on a friends pc. dont act al high and mighty, there are ppl out there that know more about pcs than you

Thats fine, and I said his description of "good" was misleading. Again, I wasnt self promoting, flaming, or trolling, just letting you hear from a veteran of AW, of Sentias, of Integrated grfx, and of this message board- that I disagreed with his statement. The usual responses are why?, or thanks for giving me a differing opinion b4 I drop an arse load of cash on something I wanna be sure Ive got all my bases covered so I dont end up with any buyers remorse. Skrote- Whats your point???, just because it can be done on a desktop has nothing to do with if it can be done on a laptop, which it cant, and thats whats relevant seeing as he's buying a laptop....????

my point is that ur wrong, it can be done on a laptop.