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Trying to decide between Thinkpad T60 and XPS M1210...

post #1 of 13
9/2/06 at 7:24pm
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If it wasn't for poor build quality, poor support, and the fact that thinkpads are awesome, i would get a 1210. I like the way the M1210 looks but i'm interested in the build quality and how it is straight out of the box. I'm also interested in battery life with/without a 7400 go. I'm really looking for an ultraportable with power. The only reason i'm even considering the 1210 is because dell has C2D configs while thats still 2-4 weeks away with lenovo. Can anyone help me out?

EDIT: T60 prices are so low right now that i am very tempted to buy one and do a cpu switch soon after i get it...
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post #2 of 13
9/2/06 at 7:53pm
I just ordered the M1210 two days ago. So far they haven't even put it into production... and customer service doesn't even pick up the phone until TUESDAY... (Off Saturday/Sunday and Monday is a Canadian holiday)...

That combined with the total douchebag customer service rep. that lied to me and wasted tons of my time about taking a coupon (who the rep. after simply accepted without any trouble) has basically already soured my relationship will Dell.
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post #3 of 13
9/2/06 at 7:54pm
So basically I'm saying, yeah, Dell can be douches, but still I've heard great things about the notebook which is why I ordered it. but, I've own an IBM before and I really liked that machine as well...
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post #4 of 13
9/3/06 at 12:35am
As someone that works on Dell and IBM Laptops. I have to say that IBM isn't the gold standard in quality that I've been hearing about. I mean Dell isn't without their problems, but IBM isn't much better. They just have better support. The last thinkpad T series I worked on had the chintziest latch I'd ever seen. The hooks were made of extremely thin plastic and has a paper thin piece of steel linking them together. My D820's latch is a single solid piece of chrome plated steel. The Thinkpad's lid is a VERY solid piece of Magnesium and my D820's lid is rather flexible. They're both good machines but I wouldn't say IBM is "OMFG TEH AWESOMES" I also hate working on IBMs, they have an unimaginable number of screws (in six different sizes) And they come apart into twice as many seperate pieces as a comparable Dell would. The superior tech support though does make Thinkpads worth the price difference vs a Dell.
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post #5 of 13
9/3/06 at 3:33am
keep in mind that practically every part is made and assembled somewhere in taiwan/china/korea/japan/india/ireland.... that basically applies to every major laptop maker and often quality of a product relies on where it is made.... it just depends on the quality of the asian contractor that a laptop maker chooses to use to make its parts. i guess dell being so big has massive bulk purchase ability giving it low prices which is basically why people buy from them -- good quality for a low price
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post #6 of 13
9/3/06 at 5:41am
i can't say for any other services since i've never owned any other laptops before, but i've been very satisfied with the xps support, and i've been reading a lot of posts that sing the same tune.

1 thing i hate about ibm lappies is that they've switched the left ctrl button with the fn button... extrememly inconvenient and honestly pointless
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post #7 of 13
9/4/06 at 1:54am
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Originally Posted by Lord Farkward
i can't say for any other services since i've never owned any other laptops before, but i've been very satisfied with the xps support, and i've been reading a lot of posts that sing the same tune.

1 thing i hate about ibm lappies is that they've switched the left ctrl button with the fn button... extrememly inconvenient and honestly pointless


I have to agree I have bought several Dells and had no problem. I ordered my 1210 and it was delivere d in about a week and is an awesome machine...

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post #8 of 13
9/4/06 at 2:32am
Thinkpads are overrated.
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post #9 of 13
9/4/06 at 5:54am
speaking from personal experience. IBM is nice XPS is better. I had a T60 in my hands and i like the XPS better. Performance is similar IBM/Lenovo is a bit over rated you are definitely paying for their name.

One thing though is that the 1210 and the x60/x60s is what you should be comparing. A very good friend of mine has the x60s and he loves it but the one thing I did not order it because of was the fact that it has no optical drive unless you spend money on a docking station. For me personally I want one. I know I could use a usb thumb or portable external but i just like it this way. After long and very considerable thought I ended up with the 1210 but honestly it is whatever makes you happy.

Good luck - it's a tough decision
Cheers!
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post #10 of 13
9/4/06 at 5:21pm
Having owned/used plenty of IBM lappys before, I've always been happy with them. I don't think the quality is quite up to the level it used to be, but they're still plenty good. That being said, I'll be ordering a new M1210 this coming Friday to be my personal laptop since my new employer won't buy or give me a lappy, and I have school coming in October.

Frankly, they both have their pluses and minuses; but the Dell's features, Core 2 Duo and the nvidia 7400 have tipped me in their direction. A guy I know at work just bought one a few weeks ago (an M1210), and just playing with it for a few minutes, it seems like a very solid piece.

We'll see.
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post #11 of 13
9/5/06 at 2:14pm
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Since i've heard so much about thinkpad keyboards, how are the keyboards on the 1210? I need something with a bit better keyboard than my i9300, which has a very weak keyboard. I've heard that thinkpad keyboards are awesome but are they any better than a 1210 keyboard?
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post #12 of 13
9/5/06 at 4:34pm
do you know why dell's sending its core2duo products so late? i ordered mine 8/28 and it says that the estimated shipping date is 9/13. something wrong with it for sure but i don't feel like dealing with customer services... goh...
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post #13 of 13
9/5/06 at 4:41pm
http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/12591.jpg
this is a picture of xps m1210's keyboard
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