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post #21 of 28
3/3/04 at 9:22pm
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Originally Posted by aussie
Yes you are right dswantek about Cutler, not Butler - I got confused with our once useful UN Weapons inspector David Butler. Yes it was David Cutler who used to work for DEC then got swiped by Bill.

I would have to dig thru my archives about the Mach roots of NT, I know Apple went down the same route with their OSX.
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Yes it was Cutler... BTW, Apple has some time ago taken over all the good things from NeXT (NeXTStep/OpenStep/WebObjects etc.). I badly remember that day when NeXT's Steve Jobbs announced to not continue any longer the black hardware (their own NeXT boxes, aka the Cube and NeXTstations which I had both) and instead only to continue OpenStep as an OS, but then also for white hardware (PC based hardware) beside HP and Sun Workstations. - That day many NeXT users like me got first time "steved". Some years later I got again "steved" when Mr. Jobbs dropped the Apple Newton line of hardware in favor of Billy boy dollars.
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post #22 of 28
3/3/04 at 10:33pm
is pctorgue selling 1024 sticks of 400DDR/pc3200 RAM seperately for 8890 owners that want to upgrade to 2 gigs?
please say yes
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post #23 of 28
3/4/04 at 12:44am
I'm running Trillian and its 15 threads.... BSPlayer has 19 threads right now
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post #24 of 28
3/4/04 at 1:49am
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Originally Posted by krobotkin
Yes it was Cutler... BTW, Apple has some time ago taken over all the good things from NeXT (NeXTStep/OpenStep/WebObjects etc.). I badly remember that day when NeXT's Steve Jobbs announced to not continue any longer the black hardware (their own NeXT boxes, aka the Cube and NeXTstations which I had both) and instead only to continue OpenStep as an OS, but then also for white hardware (PC based hardware) beside HP and Sun Workstations. - That day many NeXT users like me got first time "steved". Some years later I got again "steved" when Mr. Jobbs dropped the Apple Newton line of hardware in favor of Billy boy dollars.
I have herd that there is a book on the exploits of Mr. Jobbs. One thing that is not well known about him is that he hated the Mac project in its early days at Apple. Suposidly he tried to kill it more than once and then took all the credit when it was a success. The guy is tripping just as hard as Mr. Bill or Larry Ellison.

I say OpenStep running on PC hardware when I first started working at JPL (which is where I got a lot of exposure to VMS) it was kinda cool, cause it was fully object oriented, development tools and all.

It is truly amazing to realize than a VAX 11/785 cost about $200k and had about the same horsepower as classic 133 MHz pentium.

I had better quit before I start to sound like an old codger lamenting about the good old days of command-line development.

Cheers

Dave
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post #25 of 28
3/4/04 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by dswantek
I have herd that there is a book on the exploits of Mr. Jobbs. One thing that is not well known about him is that he hated the Mac project in its early days at Apple. Suposidly he tried to kill it more than once and then took all the credit when it was a success. The guy is tripping just as hard as Mr. Bill or Larry Ellison.

I say OpenStep running on PC hardware when I first started working at JPL (which is where I got a lot of exposure to VMS) it was kinda cool, cause it was fully object oriented, development tools and all.

It is truly amazing to realize than a VAX 11/785 cost about $200k and had about the same horsepower as classic 133 MHz pentium.

I had better quit before I start to sound like an old codger lamenting about the good old days of command-line development.
Yep, I think I know which book you mean ("the Steve Jobbs Story..."). And yes in former Apple times Jobbs was more in favor of the Apple LISA project than the MAC project, but afterwards he changed the sides and got the fame as you already said. Apparently that book stopped where he formed NeXT and doesn't mention that time much or the time afterwards.

Related to the NeXTstep OO-dev tools, these were so cool those days, they were lightyears ahead of everything else and it was a pleasure to program in ObjC (Objective-C), the IB (InterfaceBuilder) and the NeXT OO-Kit libs. I even loved this stuff more than Smalltalk or CLOS those days.

However, all that finished soon and quickly when Jobbs dropped the black hardware (that leaved me in the rain with >40000 german marks equipment, which soon after got worthless) and NeXT afterwards was bought back by Apple in order to help Apple to survive (Apple had a crisis and they did know that they needed some new more advanced OS for the future...).

Ok, I too have better to quit before I start to sound too sentimental about the good old times...
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post #26 of 28
3/4/04 at 10:05am
Objective-C (insert Homer Simpson drooling sounds here...)
I just wish it would have taken off instead of C++.
We would be lightyears ahead in programming by now if it had.
C++ should have been aborted inside of Stroustrup's head imho .

I agree about the speed up effect, what is more noticable is not so much the speed up but the multi-tasking behaviour. The system "feels" (no I don't have benchmarks handy ) more responsive with HT vs non-HT.
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post #27 of 28
3/4/04 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by aussie
Objective-C (insert Homer Simpson drooling sounds here...)
I just wish it would have taken off instead of C++.
We would be lightyears ahead in programming by now if it had.
C++ should have been aborted inside of Stroustrup's head imho .
Funny, Aussies statements were exactly like my thoughts related to that ObjC vs. C++ theme here...

But sadly the AT&T Bell Labs were a much much greater mighty authority than the Stepstone Corporation (Brad Cox, Andrew Novobilsky and Co.) or NeXT's ObjC evangelists those days. So the more cryptic and complicated blown up prog language was pushed much more than the little elegant and pragmatic one.

However, today we have instead the Java vs. C# war, which both have stolen many of the good concepts from all other former plain OO and hybrid OO prog languages like Smalltalk, Eiffel, ObjC, C++ ...and so on...


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I agree about the speed up effect, what is more noticable is not so much the speed up but the multi-tasking behaviour. The system "feels" (no I don't have benchmarks handy ) more responsive with HT vs non-HT.
Yep, I can agree with this too here... running multiple apps via the OS multi-tasking capabilities is often better nocticable. Also I think that the overall combination of a HT CPU and PC3200 (200MHz, CL2.5) dual channel RAM modules etc. will speed things somehow up here. This can so far only be advanced somehow further by using one of those bloody expensive "extreme edition" CPUs, which undoubtly have those mighty kicking in caching benefits.
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post #28 of 28
3/4/04 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by jackstraw
is pctorgue selling 1024 sticks of 400DDR/pc3200 RAM seperately for 8890 owners that want to upgrade to 2 gigs?
please say yes
YES.

Just call or e-mail them and I'm sure they'll quote you a price.

-myrkat
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