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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Well, i ordered an AW Area-51 7500 desktop, but i decided to switch to Cyberpower's intel "Conroe" configurator.
My rigs specs

# BASE_PRICE: [+639]
# CAS: HOT NEW! X-Discovery Mid-Tower Case 420W W/ WINDOW & LCD Temperature Display (Silver Color)
# CASUPGRADE: NONE
# CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6700 CPU @ 2.67GHz 1066FSB 2x2MB L2 Cache [+380]
# CD: (Special Price) 16X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
# CD2: NONE
# CABLE: None
# FLASHMEDIA: None
# FREEBIE_VC: FREE Game of "Half-Life®2: Episode One"
# FAN: INTEL LGA775 CERTIFIED CPU FAN & HEATSINK + 3 EXTRA CASE FANS [+9]
# FLOPPY: 1.44 MB FLOPPY DRIVE (BLACK COLOR)
# HDD: Gaming Hard Drive (10,000RPM SATA150) [+53] (SATA150 - Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM 8MB Cache WD740GD [+57])
# HDD2: Gaming Hard Drive (10,000RPM SATA150) [+115] (SATA150 - Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM 8MB Cache WD740GD [+57])
# IEEE_CARD: NONE
# KEYBOARD: Wolfking Timber Wolf Gaming Keyboard with Ultimate FPS Gaming Pad [+49]
# MOUSE: Logitech MX518 Gaming-Grade Optical Mouse [+36]
# MODEM: NONE
# MOTHERBOARD: Asus P5N32-SLI SE Deluxe nForce4 SLI Chipset LGA775 Supports Core 2 Duo CPU FSB1066 DDR2/800 Mainboard w/GbLAN,USB2.0,IEEE1394&7.1Audio [+132]
# MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory [+170] (Corsair XMS2 Xtreme Memory w/ Heat Spreader [+40])
# MONITOR: NONE
# MONITOR2: NONE
# NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100 NETWORK CARD
# OS: Microsoft® Windows® XP Media Center 2005 Edition [+104]
# PRINTER: None
# PRINTER_CABLE: None
# PRO_WIRING: Professional Wiring for All WIRINGs Inside The System Chasis with High Performance Thermal Compound on CPU [+19]
# PPU: NONE
# POWERSUPPLY: Thermaltake ToughPower 750 Watt Power Supply - SLI Ready [+180]
# RAID: RAID 0 Striped Disk Array for Faster Performance - Requires 2 Identical Hard Drives
# RUSH: RUSH!!! READY TO SHIP IN 3 BUSINESS DAYS [+69]
# SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS 24/7 LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
# SOUND: Creative Labs SB AUDIGY 4 SE [+42]
# SPEAKERS: NONE [-5]
# TEMP: NONE (AS SHOWN)
# TVRC: None
# UPS: None
# USB: Build-in USB 2.0 Ports
# USBHD: NONE
# VIDEOCAMERA: NONE
# VIDEO: NEW!!! NVIDIA Geforce 7950 GX2 1GB 16X PCI Express Video Card [+546]
# VIDEO2: NONE
# WNC: NONE
# WAP: NONE
# ZIP: NONE
# _PRICE: (+2692)

Monitor and speakers from newegg.
Comments and suggestions please!
post #2 of 16

the thing about Cyber Power is...

...that while they have really inexpensive configurations, their customers also tend to wait for exhorbatently long periods of time between their order and when they actually receive the product (we're talking around a month). Also, their support seems to be hit-or-miss. Several people have had great experiences with them... and several others have had downright awful experiences. It's kind of a coin flip when you order from them, so I'd be wary.
post #3 of 16
Yo umight want a bigger powersupply especially if you plan on running SLi at a later date.
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Djem: Do you think the 3 day rush would help?
Wiz: From what i've read 750 wats can definatly handle SLi
post #5 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Knuckles Mahone
I'm guessing the 3 day rush delivery doesn't help much?
From what I've read in their Reseller Ratings comments, what takes so long is putting it together, so although they would ship it out in three days, that doesn't say how long it will take them to put it together. And keep in mind that this long delay hasn't happened to everyone, but it seems that a significant percentage of customers have experienced these delays. Again, it's somewhat hit-or-miss. Here's the RR link for you: http://www.resellerratings.com/seller6897.html
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Many mixed reviews. Also i bet most of those people are over exagerating.
post #7 of 16
Have you found any good sites on that video card, as in ... that compares it to the 7900gt single card, etc?

If so, I was wondering if you had them handy to post? My friend is getting ready to order his new pc, and we were debating that card for his machine. I have a feeling it would get HOT and I'm not convinced that SLI is worth the money at this point...especially when my 7800gt runs games great so far.

Another option I suggested to him is to buy an SLI board (50$ more) and get the 7900gt card. If he later finds he wants better performance, then get the 2nd card then.

I'm not trying to bash your decision ... don't get me wrong. I'm just trying to figure out the best route to go for gaming performance / price.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
In fact i have found a site which answers that very question.
Just so you know the Gx2 is 2 7900gt's stuck together into 1 card. 1 gx2 has large performance increases than the 7900gt and it fits in 1 slot.
It really just is 2 7900gt's upgraded then stuck together into 1 card.
The article in question.


WhenNvidia marched its Quad SLI to the front lines of the GPU war earlier this year, we noticed it crammed four boards in the same footprint as two GeForce 7900 GTXs. This was obviously great news for high-end system builders and their patrons, but the move left DIYers in the cold. With the introduction of the GeForce 7950 GX2, Nvidia has at least thrown DIYers a heavy parka. For those of you that saw the writing on the wall, give yourself a pat on the back.

Before you run through the streets celebrating the arriving of two of Nvidia’s fastest GPUs yoked together on a card half the size, take note: Nvidia has stressed that the GeForce 7950 GX2s should be seen as a single card. Don’t expect it to dethrone two GeForce 7900 GTX cards in SLI. The GeForce 7950 GX2 is the fastest single card money can currently buy.

The BFG GeForce 7950 GX2 represents a step toward building your own Quad SLI rig. Even though a single 7950 GPU’s core and memory clock speeds are slightly more sluggish than a 7900 GTX’s (500MHz to 650MHz and 600MHz to 800MHz, respectively), its GPU is a step up from the GeForce 7900 GPU that graced first-generation Quad SLI systems. According to Nvidia, retreat from higher clock speeds “[allows] maximum performance within the allocated power and thermal envelopes.”

A quick glance at any GeForce 7900 GTX’s monstrous heatsink and fan reveals the immense amount of heat its GPU generates. By comparison, the heatsink and fans cooling each GeForce 7950 GPU are noticeably smaller, so I’m not surprised Nvidia couldn’t ramp the core and memory clocks up to GeForce 7900 GTX speeds. The 512-bit memory bus and 1GB GDD3 are two noteworthy improvements.

Although single-card SLI products aren’t new (see “Gigabyte 3D1 GeForce 6600 GT SLI” on page 25 in the March 2005 issue of CPU), this massive effort from Nvidia could pay dividends. One of the most alluring features is that this card is theoretically compatible with any chipset that supports the PCI Express bus. That’s right: All of you stubborn folk who refused to turn in your Intel 915-based mobo when the nForce 4 SLI MCP debuted will be able to experience dual graphics goodness without a motherboard upgrade.

This is promising news, but it comes with a caveat: Most motherboards (and almost certainly all older motherboards) require a BIOS update for the GeForce 7950 GX2 to work properly. Nvidia’s list of motherboards with a compatible BIOS update was pretty lean at launch, but if Team Green’s fervent work ethic is a sign of things to come, I expect the list to grow exponentially sooner rather than later.

Aside from a few anomalies I attribute to CPU bottlenecking in Quake 4 and the 1,024 x 768 test in Far Cry, the GeForce 7950 GX2 rolled over the competition. I think 3DMark06 (7841, 6054, and 5978 for the GeForce 7950 GX2, Gigabyte’s GeForce 7900 GTX, and 5978 for ATI Radeon X1900 XTX, respectively) was the most accurate representation of the performance differences, but F.E.A.R. and Far Cry were also instructive.

I mentioned that Nvidia has thrown its DIY enthusiasts a heavy parka because even though two GeForce 7950 GX2s makes Quad SLI a no-brainer, Nvidia is reserving the necessary driver for system builders. Nvidia claims system builders have the expertise to properly build a Quad SLI rig, but I highly doubt a company such as Falcon Northwest or Voodoo has some sort of mystic tome locked away in a vault that contains secret Quad SLI information the general public isn’t ready to handle. Whatever motive Nvidia had for keeping Quad SLI out of the DIY market, I suspect power users will have their own Quad SLI systems running before the end of the year.

BFG’s GeForce 7950 GX2 is wickedly fast, but see it for what it is—the next evolutionary step. If you’re expecting cheaper route to a dual-7900 GTX configuration, you’re in for a sour surprise. But for those who are willing to dig deep into their pockets when a Quad SLI driver is available to the public, two of these cards will be scary good.

by Vince Cogley
BFG GeForce 7950 GX2
Gigabyte GeForce 7900 GTX
ATI Radeon X1900 XTX
Clock Speed
500MHz core; 600MHz memory
650MHz core; 800 MHz memory
650MHz core; 775MHz memory
3DMark06 v1.0.2 1,280 x 1,024
7841
6054
5978
SM2.0
3565
2577
2339
HDR/SM3.0
3464
2493
2627
Far Cry 1.33 patch
1,600 x 1,200 4XAA/8XAF
153.34
106.65
113.1
1,024 x 768 no AA/AF
170.47
178
180.42
Quake 4 Custom Demo
1,600 x 1,200 4XAA/8XAF
111.4
112.7
83.7
1,024 x 768 no AA/AF
124
124
125.3
F.E.A.R.
1,600 x 1,200 4XAA/8XAF maximum CPU settings
68
49
52
1,024 x 768 no AA/4XAF medium CPU settings
98
85
83

Our print review will include scores with AMD's FX-62 and hopefully straighten out the strange Quake 4 results
post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
In fact i have found a site which answers that very question.
Just so you know the Gx2 is 2 7900gt's stuck together into 1 card. 1 gx2 has large performance increases than the 7900gt and it fits in 1 slot.
It really just is 2 7900gt's upgraded then stuck together into 1 card.
The article in question.


WhenNvidia marched its Quad SLI to the front lines of the GPU war earlier this year, we noticed it crammed four boards in the same footprint as two GeForce 7900 GTXs. This was obviously great news for high-end system builders and their patrons, but the move left DIYers in the cold. With the introduction of the GeForce 7950 GX2, Nvidia has at least thrown DIYers a heavy parka. For those of you that saw the writing on the wall, give yourself a pat on the back.

Before you run through the streets celebrating the arriving of two of Nvidia’s fastest GPUs yoked together on a card half the size, take note: Nvidia has stressed that the GeForce 7950 GX2s should be seen as a single card. Don’t expect it to dethrone two GeForce 7900 GTX cards in SLI. The GeForce 7950 GX2 is the fastest single card money can currently buy.

The BFG GeForce 7950 GX2 represents a step toward building your own Quad SLI rig. Even though a single 7950 GPU’s core and memory clock speeds are slightly more sluggish than a 7900 GTX’s (500MHz to 650MHz and 600MHz to 800MHz, respectively), its GPU is a step up from the GeForce 7900 GPU that graced first-generation Quad SLI systems. According to Nvidia, retreat from higher clock speeds “[allows] maximum performance within the allocated power and thermal envelopes.”

A quick glance at any GeForce 7900 GTX’s monstrous heatsink and fan reveals the immense amount of heat its GPU generates. By comparison, the heatsink and fans cooling each GeForce 7950 GPU are noticeably smaller, so I’m not surprised Nvidia couldn’t ramp the core and memory clocks up to GeForce 7900 GTX speeds. The 512-bit memory bus and 1GB GDD3 are two noteworthy improvements.

Although single-card SLI products aren’t new (see “Gigabyte 3D1 GeForce 6600 GT SLI” on page 25 in the March 2005 issue of CPU), this massive effort from Nvidia could pay dividends. One of the most alluring features is that this card is theoretically compatible with any chipset that supports the PCI Express bus. That’s right: All of you stubborn folk who refused to turn in your Intel 915-based mobo when the nForce 4 SLI MCP debuted will be able to experience dual graphics goodness without a motherboard upgrade.

This is promising news, but it comes with a caveat: Most motherboards (and almost certainly all older motherboards) require a BIOS update for the GeForce 7950 GX2 to work properly. Nvidia’s list of motherboards with a compatible BIOS update was pretty lean at launch, but if Team Green’s fervent work ethic is a sign of things to come, I expect the list to grow exponentially sooner rather than later.

Aside from a few anomalies I attribute to CPU bottlenecking in Quake 4 and the 1,024 x 768 test in Far Cry, the GeForce 7950 GX2 rolled over the competition. I think 3DMark06 (7841, 6054, and 5978 for the GeForce 7950 GX2, Gigabyte’s GeForce 7900 GTX, and 5978 for ATI Radeon X1900 XTX, respectively) was the most accurate representation of the performance differences, but F.E.A.R. and Far Cry were also instructive.

I mentioned that Nvidia has thrown its DIY enthusiasts a heavy parka because even though two GeForce 7950 GX2s makes Quad SLI a no-brainer, Nvidia is reserving the necessary driver for system builders. Nvidia claims system builders have the expertise to properly build a Quad SLI rig, but I highly doubt a company such as Falcon Northwest or Voodoo has some sort of mystic tome locked away in a vault that contains secret Quad SLI information the general public isn’t ready to handle. Whatever motive Nvidia had for keeping Quad SLI out of the DIY market, I suspect power users will have their own Quad SLI systems running before the end of the year.

BFG’s GeForce 7950 GX2 is wickedly fast, but see it for what it is—the next evolutionary step. If you’re expecting cheaper route to a dual-7900 GTX configuration, you’re in for a sour surprise. But for those who are willing to dig deep into their pockets when a Quad SLI driver is available to the public, two of these cards will be scary good.
post #10 of 16
They sound like good cards if a person wants quad-sli, or twin cards on a single PCI-E.

I think I'm going to look around on a few sites to see if there are comparison charts between games running a single 7900gt and twin 7900gt in SLI. I'm sure the SLI is going to be a bit faster, but is that "faster" even going to be noticable? Once you get up to 60fps or whatever fps these higher end video cards push, is the gain in speed even noticible when running SLI or quad SLI?
post #11 of 16
i dunno about you, but TT AFAIK, still has a baaaaaaaaaad rep for everything they make, cases, fans, psu's

180 bucks? haha, get an OCZ powerstream 600 watt, and with the change left over paypal me 5 bucks so i can get a burger, then you take the rest and buy some groceries for the week
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817711001

soulsaver
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Where are these bad reviews you speak of?
And my fridge is currently full

Skeletor: Well quad sli is pretty much 300% better performance than a single card. Also i'm actually considering just going with a single 7900 GTX, cause when directX10 comes out the price of a GX2, then an upgrade to a directx card might be pretty damn expensive... Damn you new technoligy...DAMN YOU!!!!
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
Oh and just on a side note, is liquid cooling worth it?
And on another side note, i have a 19" Samsung, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001228, will the gx2 actually make an improvement compared to a single gx2?
post #14 of 16
Here is a pretty good article I found to compare a single card to SLI. I've read it in various places, but never really considered getting SLI hardcore until my buddy ordered his new pc yesterday. It seems that SLI gives you a 30-50% performance increase most of the time.

http://www.digital-daily.com/video/7900-SLI/index02.htm

I don't think SLI would give much of a performance gain for the 19" lcd -- but then again, it's just from little I've read. It seems like SLI gives the best performance when you can push the resolutions high ... 1600x1200, etc. I don't think the gain of having SLI in 1280x1024 would be worth the money. Sure, there will be some performance increase I imagine, just not 300-400$ worth IMO.
post #15 of 16
well congrads i'da sold you the extreme Edition of that video card for cheaper.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
I'm gonna upgrade my moniter for christmas, (I love giving myself presents), but by then i'm gonna be using dx10 cards. Mmmmm wait for me 30" Lcd, wait for me...
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