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post #1 of 16
9/7/06 at 9:26am
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hey guys.. just wondering if in the future i get a comp with a dx10 compatible graphics card... i wouldnt be able to play the games that require dx9 cards?
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post #2 of 16
9/7/06 at 10:04am
yes, the dx10 card would be totally backwards compatible with dx9 games.
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post #3 of 16
9/7/06 at 1:33pm
just as DX9 cards can play DX8 games, DX10 will also be backwards compatible.

does anyone know if the slots on laptops will be compatible? Like I have an FX2500M in my m90, would it be possible to upgrade to DX10 in the future?
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post #4 of 16
9/7/06 at 1:51pm
Slots will probably be compatible as they are PCIe x16 in current notebooks and it's a standard slot. It normally takes years for all these companies to agree on a standard and this slot standard is not more than 2/3 years old.

But the big issue would probably be the power requirements, I keep hearing that these DX10 cards will be power hungry beasts.

It could be that, when on battery, you get the performance of 7900GS & when connected to wall outlet, you get the true power.

But it's all speculations for now...
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post #5 of 16
9/7/06 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by jgilbs
just as DX9 cards can play DX8 games, DX10 will also be backwards compatible.
Actually you are incorrect although it comes out to mean the same. DirectX 10 is a complete re-write of the API and is no longer tied to the old COM structure of the previous versions, and is not backwards compatible at all.

That being said though, the hardware is fully backwards compatible, and any OS using DX10 (ie. Vista) will also have a version of DirectX 9 being used.

So yes a DX10 card can play DX9 games.. but it will be using DX9 and not 10.

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does anyone know if the slots on laptops will be compatible? Like I have an FX2500M in my m90, would it be possible to upgrade to DX10 in the future?
Current notebooks will be unable to upgrade to a DX10 graphics card as the architecture is vastly different and needs different power, cooling, etc solutions.
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post #6 of 16
9/7/06 at 2:26pm
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Originally Posted by Imperil
Actually you are incorrect although it comes out to mean the same. DirectX 10 is a complete re-write of the API and is no longer tied to the old COM structure of the previous versions, and is not backwards compatible at all.

That being said though, the hardware is fully backwards compatible, and any OS using DX10 (ie. Vista) will also have a version of DirectX 9 being used.

So yes a DX10 card can play DX9 games.. but it will be using DX9 and not 10.


Current notebooks will be unable to upgrade to a DX10 graphics card as the architecture is vastly different and needs different power, cooling, etc solutions.

Hi Imperil,

You seem well up to speed on this subject, when do you think we'll see the 1st DX10 cards for notebooks?
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post #7 of 16
9/7/06 at 11:25pm
I agree with you improv that Imperil knows what he's talking about... But have something to say too... based on my limited propositional logic ability...

I'm talking about the 1710 XPS notebook...

if the DirectX 10 card is going to use the same slot as the DirectX 9 card then doesn't that mean both slots will have the same power running through them... I haven't heard of any notebook requiring more than a 130 watt power brick.

I admit the cooling system may be different...

So if the power is compatible then the next interface issue will be at the software layer, i.e. vista, b/c DX10 won't run on XP.

I'm very curious on this subject too b/c I bought my system in April.

There's my two, three cents!!!
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post #8 of 16
9/8/06 at 1:19am
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Originally Posted by Atticus
I haven't heard of any notebook requiring more than a 130 watt power brick.

My alienware from 4 years ago has a 170W brick and I think their SLI model has a 220W brick.
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post #9 of 16
9/8/06 at 2:32am
Holy smokes! How hot did your systems get?

This is news i don't want to hear... I was looking forward to upgrading to the G80 go...
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post #10 of 16
9/8/06 at 8:14am
Guys all this info is great, but I really can't see the likes of Nvidia or ATI going backwards in thier future development. Why would they build a system that draws more power and generates more heat. When all their past system they manufactured tried to eliminate this. Hey after using the Core 2 DUO or even the Pentium M, would you want to go back to having a furnace on your lap? I'm sorry and I am probaly gonna get S#$T on for this, but it just doesn't make logical business sense, or consumer sense either. Consumers want faster smaller and lower power comsumption (heat generation) companies in the electronic world get ahead by listening to consumers. Just my my opinion, maybe I am just hopefull.

Cheers
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post #11 of 16
9/8/06 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by newfiejudd
Guys all this info is great, but I really can't see the likes of Nvidia or ATI going backwards in thier future development. Why would they build a system that draws more power and generates more heat. When all their past system they manufactured tried to eliminate this. Hey after using the Core 2 DUO or even the Pentium M, would you want to go back to having a furnace on your lap? I'm sorry and I am probaly gonna get S#$T on for this, but it just doesn't make logical business sense, or consumer sense either. Consumers want faster smaller and lower power comsumption (heat generation) companies in the electronic world get ahead by listening to consumers. Just my my opinion, maybe I am just hopefull.

Cheers

I have to agree. Speculation has it that it consumes more power and is hotter. And I feel that it is just a matter of time for them to get the G80 power consumption down and have that puppy runing cooler for our laptops. I just hope my m 1710 sees one. But Dell is notorious for changeing up the form factor of the new GPU or the mainboard just a little to push consumers into buying the next generation if they want the latest GPU . Man I hate that I was absolutly content with my XPS Gen 2 but the 7900 GTX would not work in it. I know it kind turned into a rant. And if companies in the electronic world do get ahead by listining to the consumers? I sure wish Dell would listen and give us gamers a longer GPU upgrade path for theese very expensive machines
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post #12 of 16
9/8/06 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by newfiejudd
Guys all this info is great, but I really can't see the likes of Nvidia or ATI going backwards in thier future development. Why would they build a system that draws more power and generates more heat. When all their past system they manufactured tried to eliminate this. Hey after using the Core 2 DUO or even the Pentium M, would you want to go back to having a furnace on your lap? I'm sorry and I am probaly gonna get S#$T on for this, but it just doesn't make logical business sense, or consumer sense either. Consumers want faster smaller and lower power comsumption (heat generation) companies in the electronic world get ahead by listening to consumers. Just my my opinion, maybe I am just hopefull.

Cheers

Drawing more power and generating more heat are typical by-products of increased performance. Of course they're going to try to address those issues, but making something smaller, more efficient, use less power and generate less heat, while at the same time taking a quantum leap forward isn't exactly a walk in the park. Why do you think you don't see the 7900GS in 15 inch notebooks? It's not because there is no demand in the market for it.
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post #13 of 16
9/8/06 at 12:10pm
mmm DX10 and Vista would be nice
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post #14 of 16
9/8/06 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by danimal1968
Drawing more power and generating more heat are typical by-products of increased performance. Of course they're going to try to address those issues, but making something smaller, more efficient, use less power and generate less heat, while at the same time taking a quantum leap forward isn't exactly a walk in the park. Why do you think you don't see the 7900GS in 15 inch notebooks? It's not because there is no demand in the market for it.
Of course, it's not gonna be a walk in the park. But like I said here, it'll be here before too long. Before ATI Mobility 9700 (or may be Go 6800), even the largest laptop didn't have a good video card, but now a days most 17" laptops have decent graphics power and even those 15 inchers can have X1400, which is not too bad. May be NVIDIA & ATI have to go to 65nm fab to release G85 (or whatever is the new redesigned G80), which will be like Conroe when compared to Pentium D. Yes, there is market demand and that's what will make it happen. I'm sure in few years we'll have DX10 with 7900GTX kind of processing power in those VAIO 1-inchers.
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post #15 of 16
9/9/06 at 9:52am
Do any of you have any insight as to when DX10 laptop solutions will be avialable?
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post #16 of 16
9/9/06 at 11:58am
What about the go5700 i had one of those!
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