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Yonah has been pinmodded!

post #1 of 157
Thread Starter 
Ok, as I have said in my Merom pinmodding thread, I have successfully made my T2250 running at 1.73Ghz into a T2600 running at 2.16Ghz. Almost...

I have posted my CPU-Z page here, which shows the higher FSB speed...



...however, for some reason windows wont budge off of the 6X multiplier, so really I am stuck at 1Ghz right now. I need some assistance trying to figure out the culprit here. I have also reposted the picture of the processor internals and pinout to see if I missed something.

Basically I have isolated the BSel1 pin with a small piece of ATA100 wire shielding. I just slightly opened up the plastic part of the socket to accomodate the larger circumference. When I boot into the BIOS, it says:

Current: 2.16
Min: 1.00
Max: 2.16

As soon as I hit windows, I am forced into the 6x multiplier and cant force it higher by any means. So I need your help guys. Help me figure out this wierdness please!
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post #2 of 157
Is it possible that Intel built some sort of checker into their chipset driver?
post #3 of 157
Thread Starter 
Well, I suppose that is a possibility... However I have doubts that its in the driver, at least I would hope its not. I am so dang close, lol. I am really hoping that maybe there is just another pin that needs to be modified, if anything at all... Somebody out there might know the answer (or at least a good guess), so if ya have any thoughts, throw them out there!
post #4 of 157
Thread Starter 
Here is the link to the Datasheet for the Core Duo/Core Solo

ftp://download.intel.com/design/mobi...s/30922105.pdf
post #5 of 157
I'm assuming you've tried forcing it with RMClock?
post #6 of 157
Thread Starter 
Just tried that, and got the same results... Seems like something is hardware locking it to that speed... I wonder if another pin needs to be insulated or shorted. The BSel pins are setup correctly now. There are two other pins labeled BClk0 and BClk1... wonder if they have anything to do with it. This is sure frustrating at this point... I have read that datasheet cover to cover 3 times now, and still can't make sense of why this method is not functioning 100%... Maybe it will come to me eventually, lol.
post #7 of 157
Thread Starter 
"sigh"...

I have attached a picture of my BIOS screen, just for reference. I really want to believe that there is just something simple I am missing, but I know better. I have yanked the cpu out and put it back in a few times, but that did not help. Guess I am back to the drawing board.
LL
post #8 of 157
try using crystal cpu id, where is your merom pinmodding thread??


forget it i found it. :P
post #9 of 157
Thread Starter 
Just tried it also, with similar results. I just can't put 2 and 2 together here. The BIOS shows the higher clock speed... when I set I8KFanGUI to the "Ask BIOS about speed" setting, it shows the 2.16Ghz value. However Sandra CPU Benchmarks show otherwise... I am performing less than half speed of a T2600 right now. Fortunately its easy enough to revert back to the regular speed with my method, but I really want to make this work!

Now here is one thing I have been trying to decipher. Other forums have shown that by insulating a BSel pin, you effectively make it go HIGH, whereas shorting one to ground gives you LOW. Is it possible that maybe it really needs some kind of actual signal to operate correctly? On a 667Mhz FSB Yonah, the pin still exists on the cpu. Is it just disconnected inside the cpu on these models? Or is there some other necessary voltage that is required to be fed to this pin to make it work properly? I certainly dont want to go shorting pins out on my machine without a clue of what effect it may have... I really need somebody with hardware experience to ring in here and help me out. Anybody?

BTW, thanks to everybody so far for the suggestions. Everything is appreciated right now.
post #10 of 157
i recomend insulating Bsel[0] instead of [1]. that is what is requiered to pin-mod the dothans. and if so, you can add voltage by insulating the vid[*] pins.

im not 100% sure, but try it if you havent already.
post #11 of 157
Just a thought... did you look to see if there was another set of BSEL's on the pin-out? I find it weird you're applying Pentium-M (single core) pin-modding techniques to a Yonah (dual core) CPU pin-out design.

In the Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology it automatically defaults to the lower core speed if there is a difference in speed or voltage. So if you overclocked 1 core it would still step down to the same stage of the non-overclocked core.

Also, Yonah uses a shared cache design. There are differences between single core and dual core that the average overclockers are not factoring in.

I would venture to guess that the issue is either you have isolated the current in the pin when you insulated it to throw it high and it needs to pass that voltage thru in order to operate at higher stepping - OR - there is another BSEL pin that must be set for the 2nd core so they both are recognized.

Plus... you did turn off SpeedStepping and set Windows Power Management for "Always On", right?
post #12 of 157
the best way to be sure is to run super pi, super pi will tell you if you are running on high speeds.
post #13 of 157
Hmmm, that's odd. It's strange that the bios would show the 2.16, when it isn't running at that speed.

I wanted to try to do this myself, but wasn't able to get my hands on the T2250. Hope you figure out the problem!!
post #14 of 157
i have one i am not using if someone wants it to tet with i am selling it, or should i wait to convert it to a 2600 and sell it at a higher price? :P lol
post #15 of 157
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JaxChris
Just a thought... did you look to see if there was another set of BSEL's on the pin-out? I find it weird you're applying Pentium-M (single core) pin-modding techniques to a Yonah (dual core) CPU pin-out design.

In the Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology it automatically defaults to the lower core speed if there is a difference in speed or voltage. So if you overclocked 1 core it would still step down to the same stage of the non-overclocked core.

Also, Yonah uses a shared cache design. There are differences between single core and dual core that the average overclockers are not factoring in.

I would venture to guess that the issue is either you have isolated the current in the pin when you insulated it to throw it high and it needs to pass that voltage thru in order to operate at higher stepping - OR - there is another BSEL pin that must be set for the 2nd core so they both are recognized.

Plus... you did turn off SpeedStepping and set Windows Power Management for "Always On", right?

Thanks to everyone for the replies. Yes I have set windows to always on, and I use NHC (tried several, but this one usually works for me...) to force it to high perfomance mode anyway. Doesn't seem like any software programs can get me to the point of success.

As for using the Dothan technique, this is nothing like that. With Dothan you used a jumper wire to ground out a pin that was already HIGH, which in turn changes it to LOW. I had to go the other way around, from LOW to HIGH. If you look into Xeon pin modding a little bit you can see that people have done basically what I have done to get the FSB a serious boost. With a Xeon, if you insulate the pin as I have done, it effectively throws the socket hole to HIGH. Now that part of the mod has worked well, because you can see I have successfully hit the 166FSB/667MHz without issue.

The pinout is in the picture attached to my first post if you want to take a look at it. There is only one group of BSel pins... BSel0, BSel1, and BSel2. BSel1 is the only pin that needs to change status to make the overclock go through. However I am thinking that something else needs to change via the pinout to successfully open the multipliers back up. This is where I cannot figure it out. As I have said also, the BIOS shows the correct speed, so why doesnt it transfer through to windows...? Intel has made some changes, that is apparant. I believe this is still possible though. I am halfway there now, and I dont want to throw in the towel just yet!
post #16 of 157
test it with super pi! use the default 2250 and see the results, then with mod, try uncheking every power saving feature.
post #17 of 157
Yeah, I still believe this can be done, do NOT give up yet!! PM Mr. K6, he was the brains behind most of the dothan pinmodding on here, I am sure he could help out.

I don't know if I've seen him on here in a while though
post #18 of 157
Excellent work so far Krayziepop. I'm sure you'll figure it out.
If you don’t mind me saying, you are one smart truck driver.

This kinda work deserves +rep by the bucket loads.
post #19 of 157
Why don't you try some other operating system like Knoppix, or LiveCD to see if it's just a Windows thing. We need to isolate the problem a little better to (forgive the pun) Pin it down. However, this certainly looks VERY promising.
post #20 of 157
try frocing the vid or the multiplier wit rmclock, crystal cpu id is froces it to higher ones. Try under speedstepcontrol. i want to try it but not yet, i just figured out how to use merom at 2.16 GHZ :P
If the 2250 is a dwongraded 2600, that means that they had to downgraded directly with laser.... isnt it true?
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