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post #41 of 157
Thread Starter 
I also tried using RMClock and CrystalCPUid to make changes, and neither one worked... it wont auto speedstep or be forced to a higher multiplier by any means... This is rather strange. Mr. K6 should throw his logic into this mess, lol. He had a thread about this before, but nobody got around to doing the mod.
post #42 of 157
It just seems like you are on the last leg of the race. Keep pushing it will work. BTW glad you did not clip the pin off, that would have been sad & funny at the same time.
post #43 of 157
ok i get it but what i am telling you is that when BSEL0 is in high you run 13x, when it is on low you run 6x, that is my theory, since that is done from the OS, its done at a virtual level, have you tried it yet? then super pi again to see if there is any diff. What about comparing your result to a stock 2600?
here is a guide to change the voltage on desktop conroes. At end it says that he is going to post a fsb mod.
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3904&s=2
post #44 of 157
Thread Starter 
Yeah, that link shows just how easy it is to modify the dang LGA processors... no pins, just conductive lands that sit on spring loaded conductive balls... THAT is the way they should all be. Then to insulate a 'pin' all you have to do is use non conductive glue to coat the 'land' and its isolated. These pins are aggravating, and fragile. I dont know how much more the BSel1 pin on my T2250 can take before it gives out from all the tweaking.
post #45 of 157
maybe you can force the voltage and vid with these.
On page 28 from the core duo data sheet there is more information on how the highest clock is managed.
LL
post #46 of 157
*runs into room* someone doing hardware modifications?

Wow, using ATA100 cabling, great idea! Usually people use glue or clip the pin, both of which are a more permanent solution.

Background for everyone involved: Pin-modding is the sad remenant of overclocking that is left to laptop users due to OEM's locking their machines up tight. In the Dothan days, 533FSB boards were backwards compatible with 400FSB CPUs by means of the BSEL switch. To pin-mod, all one had to do was be throw the switch low via a wiremod and the chipset recognized and ran the CPU at 533FSB.
Fast forward to now, it appears Intel has done the same thing (what else do you do with crappy chips? ), only, it appears out of spite, the backwards compatibility goes with throwing the needed switch high, which is a little more difficult, as discussed. Even though there are two BSEL switches, only BSEL 1 should have to be moddified. Also note that by pin-modding, you are modifying the speed at which the FSB runs at, that is it. Simply equate it to overclocking the FSB as you would on a desktop. Multipliers, cache, and all other inherent properties of the CPU are not modified.

This said, I dont think your operating system should make a difference, however, drivers might. The first thing I'd guess is/was Intel Speed Step turned off (either manually or by some weird automatic functioning)? Also, try running a pre-OS program, such as memtest 86+, and see what it reads your CPU speed as ( www.memtest.org , grab the bootable iso, burn a CD, and boot to the CD; Your CPU frequency is in the upper lefthand corner). So far, your BIOS seems to recognize your CPU's frequency max as 2.16GHz, and it runs at full speed in the BIOS (as speed step CPUs do). If your CPU runs at 2.16GHz in memtest and speed step is enabled, then it would seem there is a driver, etc. blocking the CPU from functioning properly in windows. Therefore, the last thing I would suggest is try re-installing your intel chipset driver and seeing if that helps (I'm going out on a stretch, but hell, why not try it?).

Good luck with it and let me know how you make out. I'm glad to see someone had the cahones/time to try this awesome theory out .
post #47 of 157
i think that the high clock settings are different in the 2600
post #48 of 157
Thread Starter 
Thanks K6, going at it as we speak, I will come back with more in a bit...
post #49 of 157
Thread Starter 
Here is my Memtest screen, which is also showing the 2.16Ghz... Drivers I suppose? I am on my Vista RC1 right now, which already has the chipset drivers included... I will have to reinstall XP to try it without the driver support to see if that is indeed the problem... if it is the problem, what on earth can WE do about it??
LL
post #50 of 157
maybe use custom driver or maybe its a BIOS-Windows interaction?
I still think that reported speeds are not even close to be real time speeds.
post #51 of 157
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Well, like I said earlier... the BIOS sees it just fine. The mainboard is fooled into believing its a T2600 at 2.16Ghz... however the 'REAL' cpu information is coded into the cpuid, so Windows just happens to know its 'SUPPOSED' to be a T2250 running at 1.73Ghz. This very well could be a clever driver implementation by Intel... I wish I could uninstall the chipset driver in Vista to try it... I just got everything reinstalled, lol.
post #52 of 157
lol, anyhow, i want to help you, i will try it myself with my 2250 next week, but if it doesnt work in windows xp its useless to most people, have you tried crystalcpuid real time clock reading? or maybe speedstep control (i know you have used the program, but what about the features in the menu?) i would like some pics on that too :P
post #53 of 157
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I will try everything again.. however right now I am signing off for a bit to reinstall XP pro. I will see what happens when the Intel Chipset Driver is not available to the system... could be interesting... Well, I will be back in about an hour!
post #54 of 157
I doubt intel would go to such lengths to squell the very small niche that is enthusiasts, it just wouldn't be worth it. That said, try uninstalling all your processor control related programs. Get rid of NHC, RMClock (remove the reg entries), Dell quickset, anything like that to get them out of the equation. Use CPU-Z and windows system properties to measure your CPU speed (its a good crossfire to double check accuracy). Use prime 95 or SuperPi to put the CPU underload and see if it cranks up the speed. Something in your windows environment is locking the CPU at 1000MHz, you just need to find what it is and disable it. The driver would be a good last ditch effort, but get rid of other programs first and see if they make a difference.
post #55 of 157
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Yeah.. but I first had this problem in XP, thats why I did the reinstall to Vista. Vista is giving me all of the exact same issues as XP did. I am currently reinstalling XP to try a step by step check method. I want to see what this thing is doing before I throw any drivers at it. Got about 20 minutes left on the install... we shall see.
post #56 of 157
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Originally Posted by Krayziepop
Well, have tried Vista also. Get exactly the same results. SuperPI in vista, came in at 57.643 seconds for one million digits of PI... Cant use NHC in Vista (havent tried very hard but it bluescreened once, and that was enough...) Sandra benchmarks are the same in vista, and also show the 6x multiplier being stuck on... Looks like maybe this is a hardware issue after all? I am not sure what to try next now, lol. Been at this all day today and most of last night. Kinda aggravating, but this is not the first time I devoted a TON of time to something like this... Guess that makes me a devoted nerd/geek dont it!
Something is wrong if it did 1M in 57 seconds. That's pretty slow. My 1.73 GHz Dothan did 1M in 42 seconds.
post #57 of 157
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Well, here is my reload of Windows XP Pro, with no chipset drivers, and running SuperPI and Prime95 at 100% CPU utilization... still stuck at 6x multiplier. The problem is in the hardware gentlemen... I have no idea what to try now... I feel as though I have exhausted all options. Intel only offers that Ultra Basic datasheet for their developers, so getting anymore detail on what goes on behind the scenes of this CPU isn't likely... What now?
LL
post #58 of 157
I got a question... what BIOS revision you using again? I'm betting your on A02, which is a "Support for more CPU's" update. BIOS may report 2.16ghz, but then knock it down once POSTing is complete after it verifies the CPUid.

Try running A01 or even A00 revisions to rule out the BIOS being the problem. I have an old A01 copy still, but never took a BIOS dump of A00 - sorry.
post #59 of 157
Yeap its in the hardware, there are diffrent configurations for the multiplier management in the datasheet. Try isolationg bsel O please. It could be a Bios issue too. Try flashing the A01 and the oldest one too, maybe then we will see different results. I am guessing too, that isolating the pin completetly is the problem, if where able to increase resistance without going to infinite, the multiplier management could work. AND PLEASE TRY CRYSTALCPUID its better for real time clock. post some pics too.
post #60 of 157
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Here it is with A01 BIOS (dont think A00 will make any more difference really...) Also, CrystalCPUid as requested...

Everything prior to this post was run under A02 BIOS.
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