Ordered 8790-S - Page 3

hmmm...I agree...even in this case you can probably return it if you have a dead pixel but I think thats not the wisest thing to do. If I find a dead pixel in an unobtrusive place and if the rest of the laptop is functioning the way it should - I wouldnt worry about it. I, for one, am not going to go around looking at my screen and trying to find these flaws...

Go read the "Dead Pixel" thread...that should give you some more information.

Good point. I am not going to go looking for flaws I am just concerned about have a pixel just stare at me and it bothering me. I just hope that all of our screens are perfect. And I will run through a serious test with my laptop to make sure all is working and will only send it back if something is wrong.
Thanks again for your input and sharing what you heard.
I just wish that Sager / PCTorque would explain this as well so we are all well informed if this is true.

Please refer to a moderator or to your friends in "high places (your inference, not mine).

You were on the phone with a PC Torque REP (Tony) that was comfortable stating that all Sager products are defective. I wonder how secure that Tony's job is? Concerns about buying a "faulty" product that is not so indicated is not Idiotic - it may be called "fraud"! Now "luck of the draw" is a different matter as long as all are not defective (S#!+ Happens).

What is the "Threat" that you are trying to communicate here? What kind of trouble are you proposing?

I think that further communications with you is a waste of my time and will call PC Torque in the morning.

Friends in high places = forums ?? My oh my you live in a small world

And I said - Sager rep - I never mentioned PC Torque rep.

And all the inferences you have made are yours and yours alone. You "thought" I was talking about a PC Torque rep, you "thought" I was acting like a mod - I dont know why but i get a bad feeling you're not quite alright up there where it matters.

Please do call PC Torque for a confirmation. I can give you some "better" 1-800 numbers where you can get some reassurance about your purchase decision and other things as well

i have no idea why you attacked me when I tried to pass on information - THIS is the threat that I am making - stop behaving like a nitwit and get your act together.

and a for you - you dont need the

Congratulations, it's a beautiful and well build notebook!

Like it's keyboard, which was on the machine I've saw very well build and didn't flex nowhere. The display was also perfect in the sense of no pixel faults...

What's about fan noise on your side with the P4 HT 3.4 GHz? - I've reviewed and shorttested yesterday such a Clevo P870P, which wasn't assembled with a Prescott CPU (mea culpa) but instead also with a P4 3.4 northwood. Somehow the baby was terrible loud (the fans sound) and the fans even always kicked in when the notebook was in idle mode. - However, in the meantime I've heared that the latest and newest Clevo BIOS update should smaller the noise effect somehow...

Take care of the rubber card reader protection thingy, it seems this one can be easily lost.

Regards

krobotkin

I hate to take this off topic yet again, but I feel I need to stop the crap GS is spouting about ALL SAGER SCREENS ARE DEFECTIVE too... I mean cmon its total crap. Now, I have had Sager techs admit these high end screens do have some common problems. A few dead/stuck pixels, backlighting issues, etc. The fact they admitted this does not mean all screens will have that problem. It just means SOME do. And for the majority of people that is totally not a problem. I have a stuck pixel or two in the far bottom corner of my screen. Big deal, I don't care at all I can't ever ever see them. Of course if it was in the middle I might take notice and have sent it back for a new screen or something.

Now having seen the 2 dell laptops and 4 screens my friend has received in his attempt to get a single decent Inspiron 8600,,,I have to admit yes screen problems exist. Dell would probably agree these screens have issues. But nobody is going to say all do...just some.

As for the going to best buy and getting a laptop w/ a perfect screen yes it is possible. The problem again is the price and the product's performance etc. Sager offers a very nice package despite the possibility of there being an imperfect screen. All mail orders are like this. My friend had ordered a new compaq prior to getting his Dell, and it came with over a dozen dead pixels...he just returned it and waited a bit for the Dells to drop in price.

The bottom line is that many screens do have some problem. Most of the time its small, sometimes its not. That is the reason for the warranty, for the 30 day unconditional money back policy, and for the dead pixel guarantee amongst other things. These forums too serve as insurance against some rampant flaw espcaping notice. In the end Sager is as good, perhaps better than many of the competitiors. Don't be fooled by what GS apparently was told by a customer rep.

Juason - are you completely jobless? This thread was not created to discuss my credibility or sanity - you may start your own thread to attack me personally.

If anyone stands behind a Sager product - it is me. You probably havent read enough posts on the forums to know who you are talking about. You are making yourself look really silly by accusing me of having an agenda or crapping. I spoke to the rep and felt is was ok to inform the peeps on the forums in the exact words he used, the problems manufacturers face in getting the perfect screen. Instead you and other morons decide that I am a liar who's sole aim is to slander the Sager brand and harm their sales.

I recommend you contribute a little more to the forums and show some respect. If you dont know me then keep a check on your stupid and baseless accusations. Rest assured I am not going to let this little slip of yours lie. I will take all possible measures to ensure that you are taken down for your idiocy and attempt at making a personal attack on the forums.

Watch your step...

Get off your high horse "Your Highness" -j/k. All he is saying is "take what is said with a grain of salt". After all the Rep (Tony) at Sager may have been all wet and didn't know what he/she was taking about. Threats, etc.... really make for friendly conversations and debates. I think that you are "reading into" what was said and may be overly sensitive about his disagreement with "what was said" and not necessarily "who said it". I don't believe that he questions what you were told, just the "context" of that message.

Defensive - so, you appear to go for the "Personal Attack" right away. Just because you have a lot of posts (numbers wise) and are friends with (whatever), does not make you correct, nor does it "empower you" with special priviledges.

Read this carefully because there is no "FLAME" or "SMASH" in the message - so please do not respond as if it does. Also, this is said without meaning any disrespect to you -- at all.

Respectfully - you have your opinions and others have theirs - respect them also!

It seems that Adam does not share your conclusion and has assured me that most are good; however, from time to time a few screens are bad. The "luck of the draw" thing.

G-Omaha

wee! flame wars. Sit back and watch the fireworks. and to think that not more than 48 hours ago, I was the subject of one.

Just for the sake of argument, isn't it statistically probable that almost 95% of all lcds have a flaw of one kind or another. Wouldn't it then be probable that almost all screens could have at least one stuck/dead/damaged/etc pixel? Assuming this is true (A.S.S.U.M.E: assuming makes an ass of you and me), wouldn't it be possible that the majority of "flawless" lcds have already been distributed, and for the momement all that remain are "flawed" lcds? Now, this doesn't take into account the sheer number of lcds being manufactured at this very moment, the numbers and conditions of those still in inventory, the various distributors and manufacturing locations manay of whom have varying standards and proceedures. So, is it unreasonable, no; probable, maybe; for certain, no. Do I really care, no. As long as my screen has fewer than 5 dead/stuck pixels, I will consider myself lucky. Given my eyesight, it will probably be more than 6 months before I notice anything. My samsung crt has a dead pixel (dead spot exactly 1 pixel in size) that only shows up on pure white backgrounds that I didn't even notice for over a year and a half. I don't care how much I paid for a notebook, whether it be $800 or $5000, if manufacturing defects are a normal occurance, as long as it doesn't hinder the use of the machine, then I will have to live with the certainty that some part of my notebook will have a flaw or imperfection of some kind.

Please stop attacking GS, ya'll are destroying his thread.

You asssume to much. 95% failure rate in producing LCD's? Also I thought this was USR's thread and not GS's. We are not attacking GS, just his message.

WHooooa, Thats a lot of wrong assumptions. Also, there is a difference between "education" and "flame". Your heart was in the right place, it was just that you were "institutionalized" with bad information/eduction. 48 Hours ago the intent was to pass information and correct the "bad stuff" that you were taught.

G-Omaha - why are you attacking my message? Is it SO unbelievable that the rep said that to me over the telephone? if it is then its up to you to take it or leave it - you and the others proceeded to attack me and dont try to weasel out of it saying that it was NOT a personal attack - anyone who read your posts in the other thread will "respectfully" disagree with you.

Unfortunately some of you have succeeded me as "Sager Fanboys"

I gave a little piece of information for you to ponder and you bashed me.

Good job.

Just goes to show that my 3500+ posts allows me to use my head a little better than the rest of you.

And what Adam thinks doesnt really matter - what was said on the phone to me WAS SAID and I know this...you wont because you dont want to listen to anything that goes against your thinking.

Sad

I am listening to you GS, but what you heard isn't making sense. Just because someone yells "The sky is falling!!" Doesn't mean I won't look up... but the sky just isn't falling. Many notebooks PCTorque ships have no problems, no dead pixels, nada. This disproves what you heard ok. Thats all. I just don't want you to keep on posting what has been proven false - possibly scaring, confusing, or angering people.

I don't know what you hope to accomplish by posting this in all these threads though. When you post things about how you can't expect to get a perfect screen from PCTorque because of the money you pay - yeah it does kind of sound like your dissing them. I just didn't like it ok? I participate enough on these forums for a relatively new and happy Sager owner. I just take offense when people are illogical about their postings.

I didn't say "failure" rate, just acceptable flaws. I distinctly remember not too long ago all of the threads reguarding dead/stuck pixels, the polls asking how many had so many dead/stuck or even if. So while the 95% may be an exageration, it serves a purpose in defining how it would be possible/probable that the "all that remains are lcd's that have 1 to 5 dead pixels" proposed by GS is at least possible.

yes, a 95% failure rate would be unacceptable and would result in an entire line or batch be shut down until the process could be fixed. But I remember that Adam and Tom and several others have mentioned that it would also be extremely unprofitable not to mention inefficient to guarantee that all lcds are perfect and to reject all flawed screens. The costs would be staggering. There is a big difference between failure and flawed. 1 to 5 pixels is flawed, screen doesn't even work is failure.

One thing to think of too, is what constitutes defective? I mean a single dead pixel doesn't make the screen defective. Everyone has a different tolerance to these things. Looking at various companies' dead pixel policies, I can safetly say they don't consider anything less than those numbers to be defective. So by that same way of thinking, we can deduce any LCD PCTorque ships with less than 6 dead pixels is not defective. So for PCTorque to be shipping all defective screens they all have to have more than 6 dead pixels. I guess. Again I just think its that LCD screens in general are more prone to problems and it is in no way a PCTorque solo problem.

*edit typo

Sorry to offend you but I really dont care how you feel. This is not a forums for emotional support - when I hear something I spread the word. When I heard the rep tell me this I was rather shocked myself initially and then I thought about it and realised the "logic" behind it.

Im not here to make you feel good and I dont need your permission to post what I want here. Cant you see that I have ordered an 8790 myself?

If you need emotional support - call mom

And dont mix PC Torque and Sager...this has nothing to do with PC Torque...another mistake people like you make which makes this situation worse than it already is.

If anyone is illogical about their posts - its you

props fer ferrari

Cmon guys GS-Fer has been around forever on the forums and has no other agenda than contributing his considerable experience when answering questions or dicussing topics. Apart from that he is right about keeping to thread topic etc. no one wants to see Sager Forums degenerate into flame city. Lets all chill.

Ouch. I was with you, GS, until that line.
In this thread alone, your post count was helped judiciously by a flame war -- I dispute that as proof of you using your head any better than anyone else on this forum.

You are right about the LCD issue though.

$tack$

I recall when this was a thread regarding Steve's order from PC Torque, and his subsequent review/experiences regarding the NP8790. It is ashame that it has departed so greatly from its origin.

For the most part, this thread (and this forum) would better be served if a few of the last posts were conducted in private. Public sharing of knowledge or experience is a chief reason this forum was created, and I for one am gracious to PC Torque for doing so. As it is their forum, they have issued a set of guidelines to follow, and I think it would be best if we were all reminded of them here : While I am not currently in the market for an NP8790, I think I can safely speak for a number of others in stating we would all rather return to the original topic, if it is at all possible to pull Steve from working (or playing) with his new machine.