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dv5250 nightmares...i hate hp

post #1 of 18
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HP never again. First I boycotted Toshiba (for great reason) and I thought HP was lightyears ahead...boy was I wrong, and now i've put the Pavilions in the same category as Satellites - junk.

So after about 4 of these dv5250's i've exchanged for various problems...keyboard, cd drive, programs crashing, skipping, etc. I decided to give them ONE last final chance. So I come home with a brand new sealed box (once again) PRAYING that everything will be fine and I had a good feeling it might be.

What happens? DEAD right out of box. It went through it's initial setup/install/whatever and then the HD started making a weird chirping noise and it froze. So I reboot and now the fan starts making a loud clunking sound, and HD can't boot up...just a faint chirp noise. I am able to get into bios but nothing else....I unplugged and tried again and again....couldn't get to the desktop...what a distaster. Funny thing, when I picked it up there was one other one on hold for someone who was coming in for an exchange because of a dead HD. I checked CNET and some other sites and it seems that the HD is a major problem in addition to the keyboard problem. What crap.

so I bought a Lenovo N100...dead pixel and tonnes of dancing blue pixels around text, as well as ultra high resolution (too high for me) so it's going back. Shame though because the build construction is awesome. The screen is also grainy.

Too bad HP....you have such garbage HD's....Toshiba's have garbage mashita optical drives....what the heck is any good...it's like no laptop is decent...although I hear Fujitsu's, Asus, and Thinkpad's are the best. Out of my budget though. Damn.
post #2 of 18

Costco Rocks

Just buy from a land Costco or http://www.costco.com/CTO/HPLanding....opnav=&browse=

Costco return policy is 6 month. No questions asked with receipt.

My experience there
HP5000z Kept it one month..order by mail...returned to land costco.
Sound chip clipped once a while but not bad.
Wanted instead dual core 5000t
HP5000t bought in land costco. For 1200$. I returned it after 1 month
because Costco had promo on 5000t for 999$. Duo Core


HP5000t $999 I am keeping this one.
$999 got me 2 gig memory, 120 HD, integrated video,
DVD RW....Duo core, 1.83gz

But the screen on this one was much, much superior
than my previous 5000t, KeyBoard was super as well,
and sound quite loud.

Although I ponder on duo core 2..... I don't like looks and feel of the HP 6000
or 9000.

But I can open 35 windows...run backup and surf effortlessly.
Thus I am quite happy...not a gamer....and $999 is cool enough.

But I still have 5 months to consider...or if it breaks down.

COSTCO ROCKS!
post #3 of 18
Don't abuse the Costco return policy... It's people that have abused their policy will cause them to place restrictions...


PS: When taking something back, always state a problem, otherwise they label the system as "resaleable" and only get about 30 cents on the dollar from salvage..:eek:


If you state there is a "problem" (a real one) they get a credit back from the mfg.
post #4 of 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreNotAlone
Don't abuse the Costco return policy... It's people that have abused their policy will cause them to place restrictions...


PS: When taking something back, always state a problem, otherwise they label the system as "resaleable" and only get about 30 cents on the dollar from salvage..:eek:


If you state there is a "problem" (a real one) they get a credit back from the mfg.

Costco has gigantic profits. Sure they take a hit with their lax return policy but it's part of their business plan and still make tonnes.
post #5 of 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lwlwlw
Just buy from a land Costco or http://www.costco.com/CTO/HPLanding....opnav=&browse=

Costco return policy is 6 month. No questions asked with receipt.

My experience there
HP5000z Kept it one month..order by mail...returned to land costco.
Sound chip clipped once a while but not bad.
Wanted instead dual core 5000t
HP5000t bought in land costco. For 1200$. I returned it after 1 month
because Costco had promo on 5000t for 999$. Duo Core


HP5000t $999 I am keeping this one.
$999 got me 2 gig memory, 120 HD, integrated video,
DVD RW....Duo core, 1.83gz

But the screen on this one was much, much superior
than my previous 5000t, KeyBoard was super as well,
and sound quite loud.

Although I ponder on duo core 2..... I don't like looks and feel of the HP 6000
or 9000.

But I can open 35 windows...run backup and surf effortlessly.
Thus I am quite happy...not a gamer....and $999 is cool enough.

But I still have 5 months to consider...or if it breaks down.

COSTCO ROCKS!

Costco does rock. I predict it will go back though, due to something breaking down. I had the dv5000 and my sound skipped too. My money is on the HD going or keyboard.
post #6 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by paleo
Costco has gigantic profits. Sure they take a hit with their lax return policy but it's part of their business plan and still make tonnes.

Gigantic profits does not mean that it's "ok" to abuse a return policy that is far in excess of what you get everywhere else.

I think I read, heard /was told Costco used NOT to have ANY time limit on computer returns. People would buy a computer for a term paper /project, use it, then return it.... Or buy a computer to use until the "next" system came out, return it to "upgrade" to a newer system.... Using for the duration for "free", getting ALL their money back...

Gigantic profits or not, returning a $1,000 item, and only getting 20 -30 cents on the dollar is not good. Costco does not make 70 -80% profit on each computer sale... so any return, returned in a "saleable" condition will at some point cause them to further restrict the return policies...

I'm just saying not to abuse the return policy. That the unit should have a "real" problem...
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreNotAlone
Gigantic profits does not mean that it's "ok" to abuse a return policy that is far in excess of what you get everywhere else.

I think I read, heard /was told Costco used NOT to have ANY time limit on computer returns. People would buy a computer for a term paper /project, use it, then return it.... Or buy a computer to use until the "next" system came out, return it to "upgrade" to a newer system.... Using for the duration for "free", getting ALL their money back...

Gigantic profits or not, returning a $1,000 item, and only getting 20 -30 cents on the dollar is not good. Costco does not make 70 -80% profit on each computer sale... so any return, returned in a "saleable" condition will at some point cause them to further restrict the return policies...

I'm just saying not to abuse the return policy. That the unit should have a "real" problem...

Fair enough, I guess I must be exempt though because i've returned a few there, but all had *some* problem or another. Then again, i'm cursed with notebooks...right out of the box.

post #8 of 18
wearenotalone- point taken about the chronic abusers of Costco policy.

There are also many notebook buyers thats been Ripped by repeated
vendor/merchants problems in equipment they buy.

Costco, Target, JCP are the most profitable/successful of merchants
in the USA. The have return policys to make consumers happy. Consumers
come first. That why they ROCK.

Costco..have some returns..but the percentage is small compared to the buy traffic. Many people cant just lay out 1000-2000$ and be ripped.
You don't get ripped at Costco. True consumers will get what they want at costco....and everyone is happy.

I am Totally Happy with my HP DV5237cl. But if a card, drive, screen, keyboard dies in 6 month..... I wont be ripped off of my $1000.
Which means I will be PC-less...and that will hurt mighty.

Costco... I, all my family, been there for years.
Costco Never, Never, never complainted to or about me.
So life goes ON....

I buy...Costco sells.
post #9 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by paleo


Fair enough, I guess I must be exempt though because i've returned a few there, but all had *some* problem or another. Then again, i'm cursed with notebooks...right out of the box.


Paleo,

I think you had posted the SAME info you posted above on another forum... You mentioning something about you needing this machine,/ using it in your "business".


If so you need to consider a BUSINESS class machine.... Consumer grade models in case you don't know are used as "test-beds" for new ideas, hardware.... allot of the time that hardware or new idea not working out so good. In addtion consumer models are discontinued more often, the product cycle being VERY short, compared to business models which stay in production longer, and are used for "business".... Which means more than likely "heads will roll" if something is amiss on a business model... and if something "is" wrong more effort is put into a "fix"....
post #10 of 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lwlwlw
wearenotalone- point taken about the chronic abusers of Costco policy.

There are also many notebook buyers thats been Ripped by repeated
vendor/merchants problems in equipment they buy.

Costco, Target, JCP are the most profitable/successful of merchants
in the USA. The have return policys to make consumers happy. Consumers
come first. That why they ROCK.

Costco..have some returns..but the percentage is small compared to the buy traffic. Many people cant just lay out 1000-2000$ and be ripped.
You don't get ripped at Costco. True consumers will get what they want at costco....and everyone is happy.

I am Totally Happy with my HP DV5237cl. But if a card, drive, screen, keyboard dies in 6 month..... I wont be ripped off of my $1000.
Which means I will be PC-less...and that will hurt mighty.

Costco... I, all my family, been there for years.
Costco Never, Never, never complainted to or about me.
So life goes ON....

I buy...Costco sells.

I agree with you...I pay membership to Costco, AND they DO charge more for laptops than some of the big box stores, so if it wasn't for their liberal return policy, I would really feel ripped off, and they probably wouldn't sell squat. So I don't feel bad AT ALL for returning stuff when I want to, even if it means nothing is wrong with the laptop and i'm "just not satisfied",....cuz that's what the policy is..."satisfaction guarenteed". I could care less if they get 30cents on the dollar.

Maybe if they considered adding in express lines (at least here in canada), then i'd be nicer
post #11 of 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreNotAlone
Paleo,

I think you had posted the SAME info you posted above on another forum... You mentioning something about you needing this machine,/ using it in your "business".


If so you need to consider a BUSINESS class machine.... Consumer grade models in case you don't know are used as "test-beds" for new ideas, hardware.... allot of the time that hardware or new idea not working out so good. In addtion consumer models are discontinued more often, the product cycle being VERY short, compared to business models which stay in production longer, and are used for "business".... Which means more than likely "heads will roll" if something is amiss on a business model... and if something "is" wrong more effort is put into a "fix"....


Hey, yeah I saw your reply at notebookreview, just haven't had the chance to reply there. Yes, I agree completely that I need a BUSINESS CLASS laptop. I'm new to laptops so didn't even know this until you explained it to me. My problem is that I never see these anywhere and have a feeling you can only order through manufacturers websites and pay MSRP which is like double.

It justs seems stupid that I can't find something "respectable" for around $1000. Even this Lenovo that i'm using right now that EVERYONE seems to rant and rave about has a screen that SUCKS - dim, grainy, dead pixels, and a super weird phenomena of dancing/shimmering pixels around text! Unbelievable!
post #12 of 18
BTW- that dv5000 I returned to Costco with the sound clipping once a minute
also had lots of scratches around the area surrounding the keyboard. There was also quite a bit of light leakage..which is why I said my new-current HP5000 has a far superior screen. That HP was brought as new... am I mad..no. But me and Costco are really tight.... with their
consummer policies of satisfaction. Im sure they have agreements with their Vendors for returns. And their Vedors make a mint supplying the huge Costco landscape.

These other stores...10 day return and the like...restocking fee.. shipping..time lost...or play the warranty game.... ain't SO friendly.

Long Live Costco!!!!
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lwlwlw
BTW- that dv5000 I returned to Costco with the sound clipping once a minute
also had lots of scratches around the area surrounding the keyboard. There was also quite a bit of light leakage..which is why I said my new-current HP5000 has a far superior screen. That HP was brought as new... am I mad..no. But me and Costco are really tight.... with their
consummer policies of satisfaction. Im sure they have agreements with their Vendors for returns. And their Vedors make a mint supplying the huge Costco landscape.

These other stores...10 day return and the like...restocking fee.. shipping..time lost...or play the warranty game.... ain't SO friendly.

Long Live Costco!!!!

I completely agree...I just wish costco actually had something desireable here in canada...seems like they only like to carry Turions and not much Intel.

I bought a dv5250 from costco earlier in the summer and it came with a nice scratch on the top of the screen lid! I think HP has some really poor QC standards in China, which is one of the reasons i'm boycotting. Same with Toshiba.

The vendors that supply Costco make a FORTUNE....so the returns mean practically nothing to such mass producers. The profits are sickening.

Costco rules...just wish they had more and sold Apple, Asus, Fujitsu, or Thinkpads.

oh yeah, those SEC (samsung) screens in the HP dv5000 are absolutely beautiful.
post #14 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by paleo
I agree with you...I pay membership to Costco, AND they DO charge more for laptops than some of the big box stores, so if it wasn't for their liberal return policy, I would really feel ripped off, and they probably wouldn't sell squat. So I don't feel bad AT ALL for returning stuff when I want to, even if it means nothing is wrong with the laptop and i'm "just not satisfied",....cuz that's what the policy is..."satisfaction guarenteed". I could care less if they get 30cents on the dollar. Maybe if they considered adding in express lines (at least here in canada), then i'd be nicer
Costco in my area is cheaper than the other big box stores. Cheaper than HP direct Hp direct has a 21-day return policy. Ditto on Dell I think, and most mfg's.. On your comment about not caring less if they get 30 cents on the dollar.... If there is a "problem" and something is returned they have arrangements in place. If you USE something for 5 months and 29 days (179 days) and return it before the return window expires and NOTHING is wrong with it and it is "resaleable" that's not cool. It's not cool for them to lose $600 -$700 on a $1,000 sale when they only made a 10% if that markup. (about $100)
post #15 of 18
Paleo,

Some info for you:

http://computershopper.com/techmarke...anties?tag=txt

Tech Support Showdown
When something goes wrong, who delivers the best service? Our undercover agent found out.

by Michael S. Lasky
From July 2006 issue of LAPTOP magazine

http://laptopmag.com/Features/Tech-Support-Showdown.htm
Note some of the info may be "dated"...
post #16 of 18

Resaleable

Regarding YouareNOTalone-
"If you USE something for 5 months and 29 days (179 days) and return it before the return window expires and NOTHING is wrong with it and it is "resaleable" that's not cool. It's not cool for them to lose $600 -$700 on a $1,000 sale when they only made a 10% if that markup. (about $100)"

The Costco(s) I have been to puts "Open Box" items back on the self.
I myself brought 2 items that are "Open Box"

Princeton 22inch CRT monitor and 27 inch $900 LCD TV.

I saved a few bucks but not that much. To this day..they work fine.

Costco don't just throw those notebooks away. Wish I had chances to buy
those $1000 "resaleable" notebooks for $300. Never see them ever.
Costco no doubt knows how to not lose money on returned notebooks.

Costco is no doubt happy as clam..and there is no end in their expansion.
They pay big bucks to their employees too. ... just like IN-N-Out burgers do for their employees. The magic is in the IN-N-OUT customers. Both IN-N-Out Burgers and Costco have tons of IN-N-Out customers.
Customer Policies is what makes them rich.

Let me know if you run into those $300 resaleable notebooks. Especially if they are Core 2 DUO.
post #17 of 18
In my area they used to sell to a local vendor, him buying all the returns. Currently they sell to a national salvage company and NO "returned" items are sold in store.

Sams Club currently sells their returns ("resaleable"" condition item in the "code two" section (markdown section).... Items that are NOT "resaleable", being returned to the vendor / them getting a credit on it . and then it being put in the code two section sometimes.

Several years ago ALL the returns went to a company called "Buds" (I think that was the name) Buds getting all Wally Mart and Sam's returns.


On Costco and the $300 "resaleable" notebooks you missed the point, they (Costco) sells them off to a Salvage company, the Salvage company agreeing to take EVERYTHING, taking the GOOD and the BAD of everything that is maked "resaleable" and non-"resaleable". Some items Costco being credited back, and the vendor doesn't want the item back.

Salvage company agreeing to take everything @ like 30 cents on the dollar, then they sell the item so I doubt you'll ever sell,/be able to buy at the same price point.


Regardless to the above, it's not right to USE something for 5 months, 29 days and then return it as someone is going to take a loss if there is nothing wrong with it.

That loss being passed on to the consumer at some point in the form of increased prices.

If something's not working and you're having "real" problems, fine return it.... If the mfg is jerking you around on an issue, and you feel they are not going to address the issue in a timely manner, fine return it. (Keyboard problems on the dv8000 come to mind)...

Just don't buy something with the "intent" like some people do here of buying something, never having the intention of keeping the item using it for 6-months and then returning it.

There are some people here that will buy with the express purpose of being able to "use" it until the next model comes out, timming their "return" with the release of a new model or feature they have been waiting for and then when the "next" great thing or feature is released returning it again and again and again, Getting ALL their money back each time.

That kind of abuse drives up prices...
post #18 of 18
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Fellas, what we're getting into here is more along the lines of ethics. However Costco does have the 6 month policy for a reason...customer satisfaction. Yes, people abuse it like you say, and have free "rentals", and sure it's wrong, but welcome to the 21st century.

I guess I got "lucky"...I bought an Acer laptop to buy me some time (yes, you will hate me because I had the "intent" to return it anyway, but also buy one that I want to keep...they just have crap right now in canada), but I opened it to 2 nice dead pixels. So is it now ok to wait 5 months to return it, or should I return it right away?

One of the only reasons I love costco and am an executive member is because of their return policy. Their prices are ok, but not on computers in my opinion.
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