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post #21 of 40
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Originally Posted by relic
if you are thinking of selling the 7900gs i would be very interested in it! thanks!

I may be doing those few amperage tests but i will keep you in mind. send me an email at sludgemonster86@yahoo.com so i have some contact information for you if i decide to sell it.
post #22 of 40
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
I may be doing those few amperage tests but i will keep you in mind. send me an email at sludgemonster86@yahoo.com so i have some contact information for you if i decide to sell it.

I'd be interested to see these results. Seems funny that there are already 2 reports of the GPU working perfectly, then slowly losing power over time. Doesn't seem like a typical problem with a GPU, and for it to happen 2 times each while running a 7900GTX in the 1705, kinda make me wonder
post #23 of 40
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Originally Posted by sublime_jl
I'd be interested to see these results. Seems funny that there are already 2 reports of the GPU working perfectly, then slowly losing power over time. Doesn't seem like a typical problem with a GPU, and for it to happen 2 times each while running a 7900GTX in the 1705, kinda make me wonder

Yes, they really do need to be done because this is actually the 3rd thread about this problem since the 7900GTX was first stuffed into a 9400/E1705.
post #24 of 40
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Originally Posted by JaxChris
Yes, they really do need to be done because this is actually the 3rd thread about this problem since the 7900GTX was first stuffed into a 9400/E1705.

Although forcing the CPU to run at 2.0ghz all the time makes the game run well, it now idles at 32 as opposed to 25. Not that that is a problem, but it didnt used to be like that. I wonder if it has something to do with the CPU being starved of power causing the throttle down during gaming. I dont suppose you have the links to the two other issues do you? I would really like to read them.
post #25 of 40
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
Although forcing the CPU to run at 2.0ghz all the time makes the game run well, it now idles at 32 as opposed to 25. Not that that is a problem, but it didnt used to be like that. I wonder if it has something to do with the CPU being starved of power causing the throttle down during gaming. I dont suppose you have the links to the two other issues do you? I would really like to read them.
I am worried after seeing this thread. I knew nothing about this.
post #26 of 40
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Well if that is the case that the cpu is losing power than the 7900gs should make the pc run normal so we will see when i get that card.
post #27 of 40
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Alright ive made some headway here. I setup the second monitor to monitor temperature and CPU speed with CPUz. So far, the problem is that the CPU is not staying throttled correctly during gaming. I set up my brothers 9300 for a minute, and his CPU stays 100% throttled in gaming all the time. Mine (ours?) floats around between 998, 1333, 1667, and 1998. If someone else can verify with the e1705 how there CPU acts when gaming, i would appreciate it. This may not be a graphics problem at all.
post #28 of 40
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
Alright ive made some headway here. I setup the second monitor to monitor temperature and CPU speed with CPUz. So far, the problem is that the CPU is not staying throttled correctly during gaming. I set up my brothers 9300 for a minute, and his CPU stays 100% throttled in gaming all the time. Mine (ours?) floats around between 998, 1333, 1667, and 1998. If someone else can verify with the e1705 how there CPU acts when gaming, i would appreciate it. This may not be a graphics problem at all.

Never heard of Intel CPU's being fault-tolerant to brownout's. So you think your CPU is throttling because the GPU is sucking up all the available power?

You need to compare that to an M1710, not another E1705, in order to see if it is an issue of power allotment. And you're sure you have SpeedStep turned off? You really need to run those tests again when you get that 7900GS.
post #29 of 40
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Originally Posted by JaxChris
Never heard of Intel CPU's being fault-tolerant to brownout's. So you think your CPU is throttling because the GPU is sucking up all the available power?

You need to compare that to an M1710, not another E1705, in order to see if it is an issue of power allotment. And you're sure you have SpeedStep turned off? You really need to run those tests again when you get that 7900GS.

My first thought is yes, the CPU may be throttling down due to the GPU sucking up the power, however when i force the ALWAYS ON in power management, everything works like it used to with no ill effects or symptoms of power starvation, although i have done it for a very extended period of time. Speedstepping is enabled in BIOS. when it is disabled, it runs it at the lowest setting all the time no matter what is set in windows (or so im told), so i just left speedstepping on. I think i need to compare it to an E1705 with 7900gs, E1705 with 7900gtx, and m1710 with 7900gs, and m1710 with 7900gtx, along with the amperage draws for complete data, however i dont have any resources available for an m1710. Hopefully though the 7900gs will be here sometime this week, although im worried the 7900gtx caused some type of permanent change and iw ill see the same results with the 7900gs that werent there before.

The only other thing i can think of is some sort of glitch or error in the speedstepping software, but even then i think it would have presented itself much earlier. If it were a component on the motherboard being overstressed from either an under or over voltage due to the bios not drawing enough power, i wouldnt expect it to sitll work when using another application to throttle the CPU.

One thing i am certain of, it was working fine one day, and the next day it was acting funny.
post #30 of 40
Well. Maybe you should try something like rmclock and set the CPU frequency there? And if it doesn't keep it during gaming, then you might have a problem...
post #31 of 40
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Used Notebook Hardware Controll and it works fine now, althought im still worried about a power starvation issue.
post #32 of 40
Wow, someone else having the same issues I am.

Yeah, I don't think the card was meant to be placed into the E1705...

I have the 80whr battery, 130 power brick and a well air conditioned room, and the thing is just performing poorly. 3dmark 05 scores are absolutely horrible (I got a 1,385 in 05). And I can't even run through 3dmark 06.

I'm about to have Bal' switch out the card for me, but I doubt it will resolve the issue any. And I threw in a 7900GS (just returned it) and no issues with it.
post #33 of 40
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Your issue is/was much worse than mine. Ive seen two cases like this with in an e1705 performing that poorly, one ended up being drivers with the 7900gtx (might have actually been said in this thread), the other i beleive was actually on a 7900gs, which ended up being the card. Sounds like you have a bum card, since id be willing to bet youve tried a few different drivers. Email Bal, he was more than willing to help with an exchange for me, but it was not needed. Im sure he'll get you fixed up.

Some things to check, keep in mind i dont know your skill with pc tech and whatnot, so i apoligize if you find these suggestions elementary.

Make sure bios is recognizing the 130 watt brick, make sure you have A01+ bios, make sure the card is seated properly, check the clock speeds. If all that checks out ok, i suggest you get some sort of monitoring program that can read out data for a few minutes or set up a second monitor to watch your temperatures and CPU speed. Watching my temperatures was a huge clue for me to fix my issue.

All in all, to be honest it sounds like the other guy who had a bad card.

As for it not belonging in an E1705, i cant, for one second think of a reason why, considering the motherboards are the same. From what i gather, the only difference is the bios.
post #34 of 40
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
considering the motherboards are the same. From what i gather, the only difference is the bios.

E1705 has a seperate Motherboard part number than the M90/m1710.
post #35 of 40
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Are the guys selling them on ebay labeling them as a e1705/m1710 board full of **** then?
post #36 of 40
If someone is selling a motherboard saying it works in the E1705 and m1710, then yes they are full of crap.

The E1705 model does not have the connectors for the LED lighting, the resistors for the LED's, or the additional internal USB connector for the SmartCard reader. Plus the model number printed on the motherboard is different.
post #37 of 40
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Aside from those differences, would you happen to know if they are identical? I can see from pictures they are very similar, or is that the extent of it? Either way i think that if the 7900 GTX was not meant to be in the e1705, then the stock Dell bios wouldnt support it.
post #38 of 40
The boards have the same shape, but there are many differences between the two.
post #39 of 40
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
Your issue is/was much worse than mine. Ive seen two cases like this with in an e1705 performing that poorly, one ended up being drivers with the 7900gtx (might have actually been said in this thread), the other i beleive was actually on a 7900gs, which ended up being the card. Sounds like you have a bum card, since id be willing to bet youve tried a few different drivers. Email Bal, he was more than willing to help with an exchange for me, but it was not needed. Im sure he'll get you fixed up.

Some things to check, keep in mind i dont know your skill with pc tech and whatnot, so i apoligize if you find these suggestions elementary.

Make sure bios is recognizing the 130 watt brick, make sure you have A01+ bios, make sure the card is seated properly, check the clock speeds. If all that checks out ok, i suggest you get some sort of monitoring program that can read out data for a few minutes or set up a second monitor to watch your temperatures and CPU speed. Watching my temperatures was a huge clue for me to fix my issue.

All in all, to be honest it sounds like the other guy who had a bad card.

As for it not belonging in an E1705, i cant, for one second think of a reason why, considering the motherboards are the same. From what i gather, the only difference is the bios.

Like I said in my original thread, the temperatures and CPU are fine. I'm using the correct hardware (130 watt brick, 80whr battery, etc). I also have the latest E1705 bios. The only thing I haven't monitored or checked is if the system is pulling the appropriate power.

I ran 3dmark 05 again yesterday, and I got a 7889. It's the weirdest mystery.

And I've already set up a trade out with Bal' (but I seriously doubt it's the card). But after this experience, I'm seriously just going to stick to desktop for gaming and maybe buy a 14' or 15' laptop for surfing and work. For the price I paid for the card ($600), I could've gotten a 7950GX and not had to deal with so many compatibility issues.
post #40 of 40
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Thats not a terrible 3dmark05 score for a stock GTX with a 1.66 CPU. The GTX shines much more at high resolutions with AA and AF. I hate 3dmark for benchtesting, its too inaccurate at the default settings to compare cards with different amounts of memory and pixel pipe lines.
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