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post #1 of 23
10/1/06 at 1:48am
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"Windows Vista does indeed look like the ultimate Windows version for gamers." - Paul Thurrott
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_games.asp

sounds exciting...

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Vista's claims for gaming greatness are many-fold. First, the system will include a new version of the DirectX gaming libraries that will allow for an impressive new generation of PC-based game titles. Vista includes a surprisingly capable Games Explorer that the game industry is embracing, allowing for new features and integration possibilities. Vista will work with all Xbox 360 gaming peripherals, thanks to an upcoming Xbox 360 wireless adapter. And Vista will let Xbox 360 and PC gamers play together in unprecedented ways, thanks to a melding of Xbox Live and Windows Live through the new Live Anywhere scheme. Finally, Microsoft is also working with its game maker and retailer partners to brand and sell PC games in a manner that's nearly identical to console games. This should result in a better game experience, whether you're a beginner or seasoned veteran of the gaming world.
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post #2 of 23
10/1/06 at 2:06am
This is a marketing gimmick made by Microsoft in which they label the Ultimate Edition of Windows Vista as the Gamer version in order to attract more enthusiasts and gamers alike.
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post #3 of 23
10/1/06 at 2:25am
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Originally Posted by scoutingwraith
This is a marketing gimmick made by Microsoft in which they label the Ultimate Edition of Windows Vista as the Gamer version in order to attract more enthusiasts and gamers alike.

I disagree on this one.
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post #4 of 23
10/1/06 at 3:01pm
DX10 alone will make Vista worth the buy for gamers.
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post #5 of 23
10/1/06 at 3:38pm
You have to ask yourself though don't you. I mean, my XP hasn't crashed in ages. Microsoft executives must be sitting thinking up new ideas on how to sell us the same thing over and over again. Really clever when you think about it!!!
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post #6 of 23
10/1/06 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by Morphius
You have to ask yourself though don't you. I mean, my XP hasn't crashed in ages. Microsoft executives must be sitting thinking up new ideas on how to sell us the same thing over and over again. Really clever when you think about it!!!
You should go read up a bit....Vista is not the same thing.....
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post #7 of 23
10/1/06 at 5:35pm
Why are you using WinXP then? Windows 95 is extreamly stable! Or do u like USB 2.0 support, easy network, among millions of other things that were added with WinXP? My point is Vista will have much more functionality its just the next step. No ones making you buy it, infact I have a feeling the vast majority of Vista sales will be on new systems only.
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post #8 of 23
10/1/06 at 5:40pm
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post #9 of 23
10/2/06 at 12:47am
Actually they will push the 32 bit version since the 64 version still has problems with some software and hardware. 64 bit version will still be the "oh, we have it" OS. All systems will ship with the 32 bit version unless the customer requests 64 or installs it themselves.

I installed 64 bit and it does have issues with some software, while the 32 bit version operated everything I installed.
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post #10 of 23
10/2/06 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by NeiliX
Why are you using WinXP then? Windows 95 is extreamly stable! Or do u like USB 2.0 support, easy network, among millions of other things that were added with WinXP? My point is Vista will have much more functionality its just the next step. No ones making you buy it, infact I have a feeling the vast majority of Vista sales will be on new systems only.

That's generally the sensible way to get a new operating system, particularly with the pricing Microsoft has implemented for Vista. Unless I find a compelling reason to do so, I won't be buying Vista until I get my next new computer, which will probably be this time next year.
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post #11 of 23
10/2/06 at 2:38pm
My issue with Vista is all the smoke Microsoft is blowing up peoples rears about DX10. They are basically forcing you to upgarde to Vista to use DX10 features, because "XP doesn't support the correct driver architecture"...translation: We want to force you to buy our latest security hole of an operating system that is exactly the same as the last one, except the pretty flashy AeroGlass compositor on top.


The fact that they are not backporting DX10 to XP is what makes me want to tell Microsoft to go blow themselves. I have ZERO NEED to upgrade to Vista, XP runs perfectly well for me. Guess what? Microsoft will invent a need. If I want to play any game that releases after around September of '07, I will need Vista because they will all be DirectX 10. I haven't seen Microsoft try so hard to kill off one of their old OS's since the Windows 3.1/95 change-over.
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post #12 of 23
10/2/06 at 2:39pm
Woops, double post.
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post #13 of 23
10/2/06 at 3:48pm
The reason DX10 is not compatible with win XP and doesnt support older versions of DX is because, by doing this, there is less overhead generated by the program running DX and therefore capable of running many times faster (as advertised by Microsoft). If you google DX10 theres more in depth information, Im not condoning their decisions but I belive that it will be a significant improvment over 9.0c
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post #14 of 23
10/2/06 at 4:22pm
I write software for a living, it's BS. It's marketing speak and it's them trying to force you over to Vista. All they would have to do is allow DX9 and 10 to install side by side. When a DX10 program wants to run, it loads DX10, none of the DX9 (and thus 8, 7, 6, and 5) interfaces are loaded. When a DX9 program wants to run, the simple DX9 loadup is done.

They could do it if they wanted to. Instead they are going to force you on to Vista if you want to continue to game on Windows.
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post #15 of 23
10/2/06 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by Tegan
I write software for a living, it's BS. It's marketing speak and it's them trying to force you over to Vista. All they would have to do is allow DX9 and 10 to install side by side. When a DX10 program wants to run, it loads DX10, none of the DX9 (and thus 8, 7, 6, and 5) interfaces are loaded. When a DX9 program wants to run, the simple DX9 loadup is done. They could do it if they wanted to. Instead they are going to force you on to Vista if you want to continue to game on Windows.
Couldn't agree with you more. Before I became a trainer I was also in software development. Still am to a certain degree. But what gets me the most is the fact that Microsoft line up 'Halo 2' as a Vista exclusive so kids can run up to their parents and beg them to buy it! So the parent runs out and buys Vista only to discover that it doesn't work because the graphics card on thier machine is years out of date. So now the poor parents face an PC upgrade running into several hundred pounds. I mean 'Halo 2' runs on a 750Mhz clunker doesn't it? Oh yes, Microsoft know how to make money alright!
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post #16 of 23
10/2/06 at 6:56pm
I believe that Vista is the #1 most urgent reason for my linux switch. I really don't have a lot of beef with XP...not a bad OS and gets the job done (as long as i keep it clean), I mean I'll still be using linux, but i would use XP as well for gaming, syncing my pda...and stuff like that. With Vista on the horizon and I know MS will be pushing me to get it, no thank you, switched to linux entirely to avoid the mess.
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post #17 of 23
10/2/06 at 10:01pm
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Originally Posted by Morphius
Couldn't agree with you more. Before I became a trainer I was also in software development. Still am to a certain degree. But what gets me the most is the fact that Microsoft line up 'Halo 2' as a Vista exclusive so kids can run up to their parents and beg them to buy it! So the parent runs out and buys Vista only to discover that it doesn't work because the graphics card on thier machine is years out of date. So now the poor parents face an PC upgrade running into several hundred pounds. I mean 'Halo 2' runs on a 750Mhz clunker doesn't it? Oh yes, Microsoft know how to make money alright!
' + another reason
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Originally Posted by Tegan
My issue with Vista is all the smoke Microsoft is blowing up peoples rears about DX10. They are basically forcing you to upgarde to Vista to use DX10 features, because "XP doesn't support the correct driver architecture"...translation: We want to force you to buy our latest security hole of an operating system that is exactly the same as the last one, except the pretty flashy AeroGlass compositor on top. The fact that they are not backporting DX10 to XP is what makes me want to tell Microsoft to go blow themselves. I have ZERO NEED to upgrade to Vista, XP runs perfectly well for me. Guess what? Microsoft will invent a need. If I want to play any game that releases after around September of '07, I will need Vista because they will all be DirectX 10. I haven't seen Microsoft try so hard to kill off one of their old OS's since the Windows 3.1/95 change-over.
Exaclty what i have been trying to say. Another fact that M$ forces you to buy Vista.
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post #18 of 23
10/2/06 at 10:07pm
Maybe Microsoft have woken up to the fact that adults aren't taken in anymore. So they just went after the kids instead? Very ethical!!!
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post #19 of 23
10/2/06 at 10:16pm
well, the adults who compute really have no choice since most adults are way less tech-inclined compared to their kids, so when an adult goes to buy his next Dell or HP he will buy vista with it.
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post #20 of 23
10/2/06 at 10:17pm
You people are missing out on the point. MS, as terribly and blatantly obvious as this sounds, is out to make money. They haven't released a new Desktop O/S in the past 4 years. They're looking at Vista as a new income stream and want to milk it for all it's worth.
If it were me I'd be trying to think of every way I could get to force people to upgrade. It's not exactly "nice" but in a capitalist system that's not what matters.
If you don't like it use something else.
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