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Guys I am confused about this: Duo Core, Dual Core, Core Dual Core and other stuff.

post #1 of 36
10/13/06 at 2:25pm
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I have asked on other forums but didn't get a responce as I wanted.
Maybe somebody will be able to help me here?
I am in the market of buying laptop soon. Christmas time to be exact.

The thing is...with all these current names such as Core Duo Core Duo 2 Dual Core Duo and other stuff, I am confused as to what is actually what.

Can any of you guys please be so kind in clarifying the list of Intel and AMD processors.
Please list **ALL** of the current ones that are available to the laptop market.
(You dont have to list outdated stuff because i am not interested in those)

And for 2nd part of the question
FYI, I am buying a laptop that is able to run:
World of Warcraft on HIGHEST settings with everything turned ON.
That is capable of multi-tasking a lot of apps at the same time
For example:
Photoshop, World of Warcraft, Burning a DVD, downloading a video, and surfing the net, and listening to music. I need to do those all at the same time.
Of course its not like I am gonna run all those apps at once, but i want to be able to run those if there is a need.
If there is one thing I hate is waiting for computer to process my requests.

Thanks to all of you in advance.
Please answer as many questions as you can.
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post #2 of 36
10/13/06 at 2:59pm
Dual core is a general term meaning that the cpu has two cores, or basically two cpu's on top of each other (technically that's not exactly right, but you should get the idea).

Core Duo and Core 2 Duo are Intel's current dual core line. The difference between them is thet the Core2Duo is 64bit while the Core Duo is 32bit. Intel also offers a Core Solo, which is basically a revamped version of the Pentium M that was oh so popular up until the Core Duo appeared. Core solo is just a single core, but shares most of the other characteristics with teh Core Duo and Core 2 Duo (faster FSB, L2 cache, etc).

I'm not too familiar with the AMD line, but IIRC the Turion X2 is AMD's mobile dual core cpu. It is also 64bit.

Fillipo did an excellent job explaining most of this stuff and more in the stickied thread at the top of the board.HERE is the link.

For the amount of app's you mention you want ot do at the same time, I'd say your best bet would be a Core2Duo. But sicne you want to game on it, make sure to get a decent graphics card. Read throught hte fitrst few posts in Fillipo's thread. That should clear up a lot of this & then point you in the right direction in order to select the perfect laptop.
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post #3 of 36
10/13/06 at 4:43pm
World of Warcraft doesn't require too high of specs. But why are you doing WoW and everything at the same time? Need a dual screen display?
Core 2 Duo is the king currently. Wikipedia will list every model of processor, but my guess is you'll go for either the Core 2 Duo or the Turion X2
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post #4 of 36
10/13/06 at 6:22pm
If your looking to multi task, then definitely go with the Core 2 Duo. It is currently the king, and is smoking the competition. Also, what size laptop are you looking for? Then maybe we could shoot some ideas your way.
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post #5 of 36
10/13/06 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by shadz78
If your looking to multi task, then definitely go with the Core 2 Duo. It is currently the king, and is smoking the competition. Also, what size laptop are you looking for? Then maybe we could shoot some ideas your way.

I would really appreciate it if you guys could.
World of Warcraft is just 1 game i want it to run. I will also run Battlefield 1942, Desert Combat, Battlefield 2, and other games.

For size? I am fine with 15.4 display i am not picky, but 17 is fine also...if the price isnt much higher than 15.4. I am not taking 15.4 because of its size...but rather to save little bit of money

Weight? I dont care about weight or it's size, I just want a powerful laptop.

Hard drive: MUST BE 7200RPM HD. 80gig+ ...but no more than 100gb its an overkill for me. I am currently on 40GB, and i am fine so 80GB is more than enough for me.

Is there anything else you want me to ask?
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post #6 of 36
10/13/06 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by AirForceElite
I would really appreciate it if you guys could.
World of Warcraft is just 1 game i want it to run. I will also run Battlefield 1942, Desert Combat, Battlefield 2, and other games.

For size? I am fine with 15.4 display i am not picky, but 17 is fine also...if the price isnt much higher than 15.4. I am not taking 15.4 because of its size...but rather to save little bit of money

Weight? I dont care about weight or it's size, I just want a powerful laptop.

Hard drive: MUST BE 7200RPM HD. 80gig+ ...but no more than 100gb its an overkill for me. I am currently on 40GB, and i am fine so 80GB is more than enough for me.

Is there anything else you want me to ask?

what's your price range.
17" is where the best video cards are.
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post #7 of 36
10/13/06 at 9:08pm
ok, I just did this up real quick, but here is a decent 17" laptop from dell with these specs:

Core 2 Duo 1.83Ghz
Win XP MC
17" widescreen XGA+
2GB RAM
80GB 7200RPM
8x cd/dvd burner with dual layer write
256MB ATI Mobility Radeon X1400
Integrated audio(can upgrade to SB audio for 20 bucks)
w/ 9 Cell battery

total before shipping: $1611

That is the Dell Inspirion E1705. You would want something along those lines. If money isn't an issue, than you may want to look at Alienware's Aurora 9700 SLI Laptop. It's big bucks, but probably worth it for games. It's up to you. Also, you may want to check out www.notebookreview.com for any system you consider, to see what the ups and downs might be. Good Luck in your hunt!

P.S.: IF you are going to go with 2GB of RAM, may I suggest going with the lowest available at time of purchase, and buy your ram from a 3rd party like newegg.com. You will save a bit in cash if you do it that way, and it is fairly simple to upgrade yourself.
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post #8 of 36
10/13/06 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by shadz78
ok, I just did this up real quick, but here is a decent 17" laptop from dell with these specs:

Core 2 Duo 1.83Ghz
Win XP MC
17" widescreen XGA+
2GB RAM
80GB 7200RPM
8x cd/dvd burner with dual layer write
256MB ATI Mobility Radeon X1400
Integrated audio(can upgrade to SB audio for 20 bucks)
w/ 9 Cell battery

total before shipping: $1611

That is the Dell Inspirion E1705. You would want something along those lines. If money isn't an issue, than you may want to look at Alienware's Aurora 9700 SLI Laptop. It's big bucks, but probably worth it for games. It's up to you. Also, you may want to check out www.notebookreview.com for any system you consider, to see what the ups and downs might be. Good Luck in your hunt!

I dont think the x1400 is going to cut it for BF2
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post #9 of 36
10/13/06 at 9:22pm
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yeah i must say guys.
as little as i know about laptops, i heard too many bad things about X1300 or X1400.. dont know for sure.
i only joined 2 days ago and already rad bad reviews of those cards.
so maybe another card.

my price range is $2000 MAX. (canadian dollars that is...approx $1850 US) shipped and taxes including.

I would preffer to buy from ebay. What do you guys think?
i ll be paying with a credit card, so i can do chargeback in case of scam.

shadz: newegg is awesome site, bu they pnly deliver to US and purto rico.. no Canada.
of course i can buy from other manufacturers.
if i will reaally save a lot of money, then maybe perhaps i will do like you said.
but if difference is minimal, then i would be better buying ram that comes with laptop.
(for a person whop built his own desktop from scracth, how easy would it be to change ram inside laptop? )
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post #10 of 36
10/13/06 at 9:33pm
I think there are some 15" asus that might fit in your budget.
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post #11 of 36
10/13/06 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by znk0r
I think there are some 15" asus that might fit in your budget.


is it true that in order to have best gfx card, i ll have to go with 17 inch?
If yes, then that sucks because i will be wayyy out of my bidget.

Also, can anyone tell me what this means:

XXX amount of shared dual channeled RAM

what is shared? does it mean shared with video card?
if yes, then what after stating that it has shared RAM, they mention that laptop comes with a dedicated GFX card. was it a typo?
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post #12 of 36
10/13/06 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by AirForceElite
is it true that in order to have best gfx card, i ll have to go with 17 inch?
If yes, then that sucks because i will be wayyy out of my bidget.

Also, can anyone tell me what this means:

XXX amount of shared dual channeled RAM

what is shared? does it mean shared with video card?
if yes, then what after stating that it has shared RAM, they mention that laptop comes with a dedicated GFX card. was it a typo?

There are 15" ones with x1600 that I remember. There should be guys arround with better info. But since the Native resolution of the screen is lower on most 15" then on a 17" it should give as good performance.

but yes mostly the best cards are on 17" but their might be some exceptions.
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post #13 of 36
10/13/06 at 11:24pm
I have an X1400 in my alienware. Now I haven't played BF2 yet, but FEAR plays awesome without slowing down at all.
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post #14 of 36
10/15/06 at 1:37am
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Guys, quick question while i am here. So basically the most favourite and most current CPU's are: Intel: Core Duo (dual core 32-bit) Core 2 Duo (dual core 64-bit) AMD: Turion (dual core 32-bit) Turion X2 (dual core 64-bit) Am i correct? Or is there more than that in the list? and 2nd question: Fillipo wrote:
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All core duo notebooks can be replaced for the current Core 2 Duos, needing a BIOS flash at most.
So according to that i can just buy Core Duo and flash BIOS and save money, right? So why do people buy Core 2 Duo?
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post #15 of 36
10/15/06 at 1:42am
yes, intel has the core duo and core duo 2 and amd has the athlon 64 turion X2 for dual core mobility, and a good laptop is an Asus A8JS comes with an Geforce 7700 go from nvidia, and a 2.00 GHZ core 2 duo procs all at 14.1 inch screen, and you can always just change out the hard drive
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post #16 of 36
10/15/06 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by AirForceElite
So according to that i can just buy Core Duo and flash BIOS and save money, right? So why do people buy Core 2 Duo?


Because the mobile Core 2 Duo is hard to come by right now. It's damn near impossible to find for sale.
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post #17 of 36
10/15/06 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by AirForceElite
Guys, quick question while i am here.
So basically the most favourite and most current CPU's are:

Intel:
Core Duo (dual core 32-bit)
Core 2 Duo (dual core 64-bit)

AMD:
Turion (dual core 32-bit)
Turion X2 (dual core 64-bit)
Am i correct? Or is there more than that in the list?

and 2nd question:

Fillipo wrote:


So according to that i can just buy Core Duo and flash BIOS and save money, right? So why do people buy Core 2 Duo?

Some corrections here:
Both Turions are 64 bit.

The Core 2 Duo is ~20% faster than the Core Duo, and uses less power as well. A Bios flash will not make a Core Duo a Core 2 Duo; it will just let the motherboard accept that chip should you want to replace it.
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post #18 of 36
10/15/06 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by AirForceElite
Guys, quick question while i am here.
So basically the most favourite and most current CPU's are:

Intel:
Core Duo (dual core 32-bit)
Core 2 Duo (dual core 64-bit)

AMD:
Turion (dual core 32-bit)
Turion X2 (dual core 64-bit)
Am i correct? Or is there more than that in the list?

and 2nd question:

Fillipo wrote:


So according to that i can just buy Core Duo and flash BIOS and save money, right? So why do people buy Core 2 Duo?
Becasue you still need the Core2Duo CPU. The bios upgrade will only let the motherboard work with the C2D, IF the cpu is there. It will not turn a Core Duo into a C2D.

As for your list, Core Duo has been replaced by the C2D, so nobody really goes looking for a CoreDuo anymore.

The original Turion is single core 64bit (not dual core 32bit) cpu and the Turion X2 is a dual core turion (also 64bit). Being that the X2 is dual core, nobody really wants the original turion anymore.

Point is I'd scatch both the Core Duo and the original Turion off you list as things to look for, but I guess the CoreDuo would be OK to settle for since you could upgrade it yourself later (besides, the real advantages of 64bit in the Core2Duo and the Turion's is not all the way there yet software wise). Out of the Turion X2 and the C2D, it seems (from what I've read on the forums) the C2D is dominating the X2 in pretty much all aspects, performance, power consumption etc.

your $2k limit, are those US dollars or Canadian?
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post #19 of 36
10/15/06 at 9:04pm
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post #20 of 36
10/15/06 at 10:28pm
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g00nter, my limit is $2000 canadian
with all taxes and shipping included.

and i would like video card good enough to run latest games on high settings (highest settings is plus, but not mandatory)
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