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post #41 of 58
10/22/06 at 1:27am
I dont understand how you keep saying the M1710 is more powerful. It's only POWER advantage is its GPU. Thats it.

M2010 can be had with a T7600 cpu, which is the same architecture as a Conroe E6600. That IS desktop performance. The only advantage Conroe has over Merom now is the higher FSB. M2010 can be had with DDR667/PC5300 RAM. Same as M1710. You can spec the two out with the same equipment. The only difference is the graphics card. Since we have decided the graphics card is not the deal breaker here, why argue it? It does have desktop power.

The M1710 does not have SLI either, so if you ask me based on your logic, the 1710 is rather useless too?

Share your opinions, but for the sake of civility here, don't tell somebody they WILL regret buying this machine cause it can't game. Seriously, you are trying to make someone feel stupid for buying a machine that is "Nothing more than a portable 20 inch screen..." This is a very novel idea on Dell's behalf, and as Dell has stated already they have found a larger userbase for a machine like this than they ever anticipated. So there is quite a possibility they will continue upgrading this thing down the line for their users. It would be a foolish mistake for them to stop supporting and upgrading a machine people have so much money into. They know its got potential and they will surely keep this beast going for some time to come.

Anyway, this is a forum for friendly discussion, and it seems as though this one has gotten a bit out of hand. Just try to focus on the OP topic, which was simply "Can I play WoW?" and "People who already have one, how do you like it?"

I don't own one, so I can't answer #2, but as I said before, WoW will play more than fine on the hardware you will have.
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post #42 of 58
10/22/06 at 2:40am
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Originally Posted by Krayziepop
I dont understand how you keep saying the M1710 is more powerful. It's only POWER advantage is its GPU. Thats it.

Don't forget the M2010 has the POWER advantage of RAID. It also has full 7.1 integrated sound. Both which give me a much bigger performance gain than a 7900GTX would. I would say that for my needs the M2010 is more powerful than the M1710 or the M90 that I also own.
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post #43 of 58
10/22/06 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by Krayziepop
This is a very novel idea on Dell's behalf, and as Dell has stated already they have found a larger userbase for a machine like this than they ever anticipated.

It seems that our heated friend tries to make the argument, in his clumsy way, that there is no market for this kind of a product. Now, of course Dell has done research that told them otherwise, or else we would not see this product being offered. Plus, they already seem to be saying that this product is successful. But, on the other hand, market research is not an exact science, and companies introducing products that ultimately fail in the market is not exactly unheard of.

And of course, you cannot always trust statements by a company about the success of a new product of theirs. I think there's a simple way to check what side of the argument around this is the correct one: Simply wait and see if Dell updates the 2010 around the time when they refresh their laptop lineup. If that happens, then the product has been successful, and if it doesn't happen or if it is even dropped, then it wasn't. In either case, no reason to get all worked up about it...

By the way, as far as marketshare is concerned, it may be worth pointing out that the share of a machine like the 1710 is probably also minuscule in the grand scheme of things (meaning compared to the numbers of all other laptops that Dell sells). After all, this thing is quite expensive, too, and the "Christmas lights" make it mostly unsuitable for the corporate market.
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post #44 of 58
10/22/06 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
ive been saying this whole time, your paying for a 20 inch screen portability.

Hmmm - no, I wanted a lot more than a portable 20 inch screen - and I got a lot more.

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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
Its far from desktop power but advertised as a "Showstopper". Its marketed as a portable desktop, in which the phrase alone is extremely redundant in my eyes. It comes with the same technology as lower end notebooks, save raid, so its really not desktop power by any means.

Depends what desktop you are comparing it with. The specs you give are not found on your run of the mill office desktop, I would venture to suggest. By the way, what IS an SLI chipset? Yes, I could go and look that up, but I am asking to make a point here - I don't know, and quite frankly, I don't really care. Now don't die of shock - I can see you being in absolute despair that anyone so ignorant of the internal components should buy it. The M2010 has grunt - not perhaps the grunt that you want, but a lot more than most people have. Funnily enough, I don't know much about the fuel injection in my car either - but it works for me!

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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
Bottom line is that if youre happy with it, then great. ....... I gotta hand it to you, youre the first one to show any logic in making the decision purchase this machine and rationalize it for what it is.

Thanks! I can assure you I didn't buy it lightly - in Aussie dollars it is not all that cheap - retail is $5,999 including GST. I've also been in the IT world for 20+ years, so while I may not know what an SLI chip is, I can find my way around.

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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
PS, im not "emotional" because im jealous, ..... You've made more of a believer out of me Have a nice night.

You read my other post! It was a tongue-in-cheek comment. I'm glad I've made a you slightly more of a believer out of you. You never know, I might get you buying one yet! LOL. Ok, perhaps not.

One last comment though - I do notice, here and elsewhere - people do spend a lot of time comparing one speciifc component - as in it should have this card, or this CPU option etc etc. But any one component does not a machine make - it is how they all work together that makes the end product. Besides, I have read of a lot of problems people have with that "other" graphics card too. Also, this isn't sold as exclusively a gaming machine at all - it is marketed as a combo purpose machine. Now, what they could have included is an FM tuner - and you didn't even spot that ommission!
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post #45 of 58
10/22/06 at 10:19am
Thank you Krayziepop. I didn't want to get into all that technical mumbo jumbo.
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post #46 of 58
10/22/06 at 10:21am
Honey? Sunshine? And here I thought this forum was about computers...............
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post #47 of 58
10/22/06 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by aussie_M2010
Honey? Sunshine? And here I thought this forum was about computers...............

Hey, I was just trying to be nice
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post #48 of 58
10/22/06 at 12:46pm


I have been waiting for the term 'Shnookums' to be thrown out there for a while now
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post #49 of 58
10/22/06 at 5:25pm
"I am truly sorry, sunshine, but I really do not have the time to try and break down this subject so that somebody at your, ahem, intellectual level would be able to grasp it. I have said all there is to say about it."

I can handle the disagreement over the m2010. To each his own. If your going to attempt to insult my intelligence, youd better be right, in which this case you are not.


"Uhmm, no, honey. Actually a "factor of ten" is precise, meaning exactly 10 to the power of one, whereas "a power of ten" would be quite vague, since that could be just about anything, depending on the power you choose. But we have established already that math is not your strong suit; along with logic; and English, too... "

Moving a decimal place is well known as a change in a power of 10, not a factor of 10. If you dont believe me, look up scientific notation. Changes in powers of 10! Not as vague as factors of 10. What youre trying to say is that all the worlds leading physicists, chemists, astrophysicists, have all been doing it the wrong way! 10 is a factor of many numbers. Whats really pathetic is that the term factor of 10 is not incorrect, just vague, and you dont have the mental capacity to realize that either. Its ok, i dont expect you to grasp much.

As for you attacking my skills of the english language, well, lets just say uhmm is not a word, and where as is two words. Starting a sentence with a conjuntion is a no no, instead of commas you used semi colons, you picked up after semi colons with a conjunction again, youve got unnessecary commas all over the place, etc. The symbol "..." means a continuation, which you used to end something, which is quite redundant.

For your sake, dont respond to me. Critizing someone for something you cant even do is the epitome of ignorance.


"You are "done with this thread", huh? "

Guess i was wrong.

"Anyway, yeah, I am having a ball actually, but I had just about as much fun as I can take in one day, so I am going to sleep now. Good night."

As they say, ignorance is bliss.

Take care shnookums.
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post #50 of 58
10/22/06 at 6:02pm
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post #51 of 58
10/22/06 at 6:06pm
P.S.: To the innocent bystanders: Alright, alright, this is really going off-topic now, so the above will be my last reply to this gentleman. Promise!
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post #52 of 58
10/22/06 at 6:17pm
"
This is priceless! I need to print this out, and frame it, and show it to the students in my research group. Just imagine their faces! "

Go ahead if you want to be laughed at.

"Let's see:
where·as [wair áz, hwair áz]
conjunction
1. while in contrast: while on the other hand
She was saving money, whereas you were living in the fast lane.
2. because: for the reason that (formal)
Whereas you’ve proven your worth, you’re welcome to join the team.
3. connecting series: used to introduce each clause in a series (formal)
Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2005. © 1993-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved."

I admit, i thought it was 2. How bout uhmm?

"Anything else I can help you with?"

Lol.



You mean:
re·dun·dant [ri dúndənt]
adjective
1. superfluous: not needed or no longer needed
2. electrical engineering backup: fitted as a backup component or system
3. linguistics repeating meaning: with the same meaning as a word used elsewhere in a passage and without a rhetorical purpose
4. U.K. dismissed from work: dismissed from employment because the job or the worker has been deemed no longer necessary
[Late 16th century. From Latin redundare “to overflow,” from undare “to rise in waves,” from unda (see undulate).]
Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2005. © 1993-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Here's another little secret for you: The word you are looking for is a synonym for "contradiction", as in "a portable desktop is a contradiction in terms"

Guess you couldnt think of that word either huh? Nice try slick, but redundant was the exact word i was looking for (1st definition, if thats any less confusing for you), as i already described the m2010 as contradictory using that very word. Two words: reading comprehension.

"Isn't it great how some basic knowledge of our language can help you express yourself? Again, just let me know if you need more help. On second thought, don't. I do have a dayjob, you know... (by the way, those three dots are what is known as an ellipsis, d'ya know that? And that strange word at the beginning of the phrase preceding this one is known as a colloquialism, often used to make informal writing more lively)."

Did the rest of your errors magically disappear?

"Have fun learning some English!"

Have fun learning some grammar.
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post #53 of 58
10/22/06 at 6:49pm
haha this thread has taken some crazy twists...now the argument is over definitions (and has been for the last 2 pages)...cant we all just get along?
P.S. Oxymorons exist
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post #54 of 58
12/15/06 at 3:40am
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Originally Posted by Pirx
What more powerful machine? Again, I know this is hard to understand for you, but gaming is not all that people do with computers. The only disadvantage that the 2010 has is its slightly slower 3D graphics. Other than that, it has the exact same processor, and can give you roughly twice the disk transfer rates (and storage capacity) of any other mobile system Dell offers.



It is, and that is putting it politely, even compared to laptop screens from other manufacturers. Dare I say "Sony"?...
Anyway, it is two classes below the kind of screen that the 2010 has. Have you ever even seen that machine in real life?



Sigh... Try to focus, if you can. Your 700m does not come with a 20-inch screen attached.



Huh? Have you ever actually compared LCD screens? Do you even know anything about them? There are a whole host of parameters that can be measured, and compared objectively.



I don't know what it is; is it your reading comprehension or attention span? Why don't you simply re-read my previous post. Frankly, I am getting tired of translating what is perfectly good English to somebody who clearly has trouble understanding that language.



You would not be able to provide any data for your interesting little statistics there, now, would you?
As for using the screen to its full ability, you might be interested to know that people who actually have that machine, and use it for gaming, too, report that they can play all current games at maxed-out settings at the resolution of that screen.



Yup, that must be a secret alright. Who made you a spokesperson for "the XPS crowd", whatever that may mean? So, how is it again that you know about what "the XPS crowd" wants? Would you like to point us to the results of the marketing research you have done on that topic? And you wouldn't imagine, now, would you, that Dell has actually done such research?



No, I am terribly sorry, but I did not imagine that anybody would attempt to put forward an argument as inane as that. Listen up: The M2010 is not a laptop. If somebody wants a laptop, s/he will not be looking at an M2010. If somebody is interested in a portable desktop like the M2010, then the fact that there is a cheaper laptop is entirely beside the point. As I told you, you can buy "a more powerful gaming console" for a lot less, too. So what?



Ah, so now we updated our statistics a bit. Factor of ten, actually. Fascinating. Done new research? You would not be able to tell us where you got the data for this one from, either, right? Thought so...

That was awesome.
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post #55 of 58
12/15/06 at 6:52am
The laptop is very nice, from outside and inside but the GPU is the bottleneck on the system, but you won't notice it on WoW. The laptop is more than fine if this is what you wish, but in a long run, more powerful laptop is better.

The choice is yours.
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post #56 of 58
12/15/06 at 10:58am
Aww... not this thread again.

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post #57 of 58
12/15/06 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by unska
The laptop is very nice, from outside and inside but the GPU is the bottleneck on the system, but you won't notice it on WoW. The laptop is more than fine if this is what you wish, but in a long run, more powerful laptop is better.

The choice is yours.

Does anyone know the reason for not including a more powerful GPU? It seems really weird they wouldn't just offer the highest one available, or even an SLI option for something so big. I'm sure they'll rectify it in the next model.
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post #58 of 58
12/15/06 at 5:58pm
Apparently its main appeal is the screen, not the GPU. If you read my first few posts, your paying a pretty high premium to be able to carry a desktop quality , 20 inch LCD around.

Either way, Krazyiepop put it best, and i think even the retard that resurrected the post will understand what his picture defines.
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