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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
So I gave up my lovely Dapper config to try out the Beta release of Edgy, and man oh man was that not a pleasant experience, do we have a repeat of Breezy there? In either case, I took the opportunity to try out something new, first I tried Suse 10.1 again (why? dont ask) and after it failed to impress me I tried Sabayon, better than Suse but not what I am looking for, and then i landed with Elive. So far I am really liking it...i think.

For those of you who don't know, the latest elive (i am using devel btw) is based off Debian etch, and uses a rather recent snapshot of e17 (and latest stable release of e16) as desktop environment options. Overall its a very light-weight, snappy and fun distro to use.

The Installation:
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Elive boots as a livecd so that you can play around with it. on the bottom of the screen you have an "installer" icon which you click and it takes you throught the install. How the installer functions is instead of giving you a screen with a million blanks to fill out and having to press "next" a few times, instead it gives you one question at a time in form of a pop-up dialog. The steps are still the same as always... partition --> copy files --- > install grub --- > root password ---> user account. After reboot, apt-get reconfigures all the packages for your system (will take a while...go have a cookie while you wait).

Hardware Support:
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I think this is one of the best light distros in terms of hardware support. During booting the livecd it detects if you're running ati or nvidia and gives you an option to install the latest fglrx/nvdia drivers, wireless support is also really good. I would rate this part of elive on par with ubuntu.

Software Selection:
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Because the 700mb image is not raped by a 300mb KDE or Gnome package, it left lots of room for lots of sexy packages. Openoffice was also excluded because of its 120-ish mb size. Not exactly a 1-app-per-task, but you won't find 5 apps that do the same thing either (like you would in suse or fedora). It includes the basics like Firefox, Gaim, GnomeBaker, Mplayer, Kino, Cinerella, Gimp, XMMS, Thunderbird.. and a few other neat things. Not to mention that most media codecs are also included (and firefox plugins like flash and java) so you're ready to go out of the box.

Look and Feel:
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Its E17...really uber-sexy...what else do you expect? Granted its a bit more minimalistic than what ubuntu users are used to with gnome, but the benefits of added speed and sexiness are factored in

What went wrong:
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although the livecd has a grubsplash and bootsplash, the install didn't have either. Some googling, tweaking, and a broken initrd later fixed that issue. Another issue is that i'd like to load some extra modules on boot (powernowd-k8 fan battery)....I added the command to modprobe for it in rc.local but its still not doing it..... any help? Another issue is that gimp freezes while loading on the part where it tries to load the xane plugin

What went right:
------------------
fglrx, wifi, etc... all configured and ready to go on first boot.

Overall I'd rate this distro


Edit:
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solved gimp issue, it was a faulty xsane that was causing all my troubles, one "apt-get remove" later gimp is happy . still looking for module solution though...
post #2 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by abf
So I gave up my lovely Dapper config to try out the Beta release of Edgy, and man oh man was that not a pleasant experience, do we have a repeat of Breezy there? In either case, I took the opportunity to try out something new, first I tried Suse 10.1 again (why? dont ask) and after it failed to impress me I tried Sabayon, better than Suse but not what I am looking for, and then i landed with Elive. So far I am really liking it...i think.

For those of you who don't know, the latest elive (i am using devel btw) is based off Debian etch, and uses a rather recent snapshot of e17 (and latest stable release of e16) as desktop environment options. Overall its a very light-weight, snappy and fun distro to use.

The Installation:
----------------
Elive boots as a livecd so that you can play around with it. on the bottom of the screen you have an "installer" icon which you click and it takes you throught the install. How the installer functions is instead of giving you a screen with a million blanks to fill out and having to press "next" a few times, instead it gives you one question at a time in form of a pop-up dialog. The steps are still the same as always... partition --> copy files --- > install grub --- > root password ---> user account. After reboot, apt-get reconfigures all the packages for your system (will take a while...go have a cookie while you wait).

Hardware Support:
--------------------
I think this is one of the best light distros in terms of hardware support. During booting the livecd it detects if you're running ati or nvidia and gives you an option to install the latest fglrx/nvdia drivers, wireless support is also really good. I would rate this part of elive on par with ubuntu.

Software Selection:
-------------------
Because the 700mb image is not raped by a 300mb KDE or Gnome package, it left lots of room for lots of sexy packages. Openoffice was also excluded because of its 120-ish mb size. Not exactly a 1-app-per-task, but you won't find 5 apps that do the same thing either (like you would in suse or fedora). It includes the basics like Firefox, Gaim, GnomeBaker, Mplayer, Kino, Cinerella, Gimp, XMMS, Thunderbird.. and a few other neat things. Not to mention that most media codecs are also included (and firefox plugins like flash and java) so you're ready to go out of the box.

Look and Feel:
----------------
Its E17...really uber-sexy...what else do you expect? Granted its a bit more minimalistic than what ubuntu users are used to with gnome, but the benefits of added speed and sexiness are factored in

What went wrong:
------------------
although the livecd has a grubsplash and bootsplash, the install didn't have either. Some googling, tweaking, and a broken initrd later fixed that issue. Another issue is that i'd like to load some extra modules on boot (powernowd-k8 fan battery)....I added the command to modprobe for it in rc.local but its still not doing it..... any help? Another issue is that gimp freezes while loading on the part where it tries to load the xane plugin

What went right:
------------------
fglrx, wifi, etc... all configured and ready to go on first boot.

Overall I'd rate this distro


Edit:
-----
solved gimp issue, it was a faulty xsane that was causing all my troubles, one "apt-get remove" later gimp is happy . still looking for module solution though...


link ? pix ?
post #3 of 15
Link for user portal of e17...

www.get-e.org

E Live CD distro....

www.elivecd.org

For pix, do a search I have a few up... anyone remember what thread? I havent touched it lately, but I need to put kontakt on my computer and make some music for a show I am working on probably this weekend or next week so I will be going back to it.

I believe elivecd is maintained by a single person, so keep it in mind, I wouldn't expect it to work perfectly for everyone, but it IS still pretty nice.

Seablade
post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
seablade...how about shining some light on my modules not loading @ boot issue?
post #5 of 15
Hmm not sure right off as I haven't used debian in a LONG time... Gimme a bit to see if I can find the old live CD and take a dig around to find the appropriate files.

Seablade
post #6 of 15
Hmm quick one for you as a result of a quick google was a reference to /etc/modules for adding more modules in for loading at boot.

http://wiki.elivecd.org/community/fr...es_under_elive

Try that?

Seablade
post #7 of 15
Can you install xgl on this distro?
post #8 of 15
Reference for that since i haven't tried it...

http://www.mail-archive.com/enlighte.../msg08292.html

Seems like it works with e17, and of course you can install xgl on any distro with enough work.

Seablade
post #9 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveTheBot
Can you install xgl on this distro?
Not sure you'd really want to use xgl. E17 supports so many effects right out of the box.

ABF, does this distro use apt and have decent software repos?
post #10 of 15
I installed this with E17 and was not able to do an apt-get install ipw3945.
Pretty but some of the repos were missing.

Alex
post #11 of 15
Well since it is based off debian I see no reason you couldn't add the debian repos to it.

Seablade
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
elive is based on debian etch so yeah, you can use the debian testing repos to get all your also elive has some of its own mirrors for some closed packages and such....

btw.....seablade... modules are working now...sweet!
post #13 of 15
Certainly... Was that post in the right direction or no?

Seablade
post #14 of 15
This is why I'll stick with dapper until Edgy has been well worn in... if it ain't broke don't fix it.

For my part, I don't like e17 as a WM... right now I use a combo of flux and kde, and am perfectly happy with it.

-olly
post #15 of 15
Hey ABF-

Tried out the new dev version of elive...

All I can say is I am VERY impressed. Even though I had used it before, this impressed me. There are some minor details about it I don't like, but to be honest, if it came with a realtime enabled kernel(Ingo's Patches) for audio, I would be looking at putting it on my workstation in a heartbeat(After I change the theme to darkness instead of night, to much flashy things in night

Seriously, the entire distro is well put together, it is the first one I have gotten on that out of the box comes with comparable tools to Mac OS...

Video Editing:
Kino
Cinelerra(I didn't even KNOW they had finally put out a new version, I may have to look at it)

Photos:
F-Stop
Gimp

Audio:
Little lacking here, but...
Jack(THANK YOU!)
Rezound
Needs:Ardour and maybe a few others. Heck I may be looking at seeing if I can submit them for this purpose, I already noticed it had icons and such for Ardour elsewhere so I think it may be something they are looking at anyways.

General:
Firefox
Thunderbird
NO Openoffice by default(To large for a live CD I would imagine)

3D:
Blender

Most of the tools I use on a day to day basis are there by default. Add a realtime kernel and a few other things I would be in love Considering the last time I looked at this, I got the impression it was more of a development preview tool for e17, this is very strong progress. Even running off the live CD on an older machine(AMD K7 1000) we got in the lab here it ran as fast as Ubuntu Dapper(Which is what is on that machine now), and faster after it cached itself into memory. Very nice.

Seablade
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