DX10/Next Gen Video Cards? - Page 2

Yeah the best right now is the 7950 512 MB GTX, and it'll probably stay that way for like a month. This is pure speculation but I'm thinking nVidia will release the 8800 Go in about May, probably late May by the looks of it.

they havent even updated drivers for the series 7 desktop or laptops in a long time...I guess they are concentrating on the series 8 now...plenty of driver updates for them

The only smart thing

that they are waiting for is for the drivers to be up and running before they release anything. Seems that Vista has caused major headaches with their driver issues.

Releasing the new 8800 with the DX10 and Cent Pro is a no brainer. The manufacturers want everything to work right from the begining.

Things are ready to pop and this anticipation is killing me, I can taste them now, my fingers are twitching!

Yeah simulataneous release with Santa Rosa and DX 10 is definately going to happen. Yeah SoloMan we're all itching to get some DX 10 cards!

DX10 with Centrino Pro, yes. Most likely an 8600 series GPU. 8800/High end DX10 with Centrino Pro, very doubtful. Too much heat, better off waiting for NVidia die shrink.

A die shrink should come with the 8900, maybe we can get a 8xxx GO when that happens.

Its only an optical shrink and it will be to 80nm. Your right, it *might* be enough, but only time will tell. The move to 65nm would be a huge undertaking.

If you are looking for a mid-range laptop & are not interested i ngaming SA will be right for you as soon as it's released. As far as gaming laptops are concerned it will be at least Q3 before a card that is comparible to the 7950GTX comes out.

As of right now the Desktop 8600 series cards beat out the 7600 series in synthetic benches but lose a lot of ground in real-life performance. This link shows the comparisons of the desktop 8600 vs the 7600. Keeping that in mind, the laptop cards are going to be clocked lower & perform even worse.
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=637&p=1

When DX 9.0L(the DX10 for XP) is released, Vista will probably recieve an DX10 update with optimizations. Who knows, with that update the 8600 series may get a perfomance boost & perform better than the 7600 series cards.

My opion is to get a DX9 laptop if you are into serious gaming. DX10 games are not going to run worth a crap on DX10 laptop cards until at least Q3, when they should be releasing a higher perfomance card for laptop gaming geeks like me. Besides there are not exactly a phethora of DX10 games available...

Common misconception, thanks to The Inquirer. DX9.0L is not DX10 for XP. There will not be a DX10 for XP. 9.0c is the end of the line, no GPU manufacture is going to write more drivers for DX10 in XP, they can hardly keep up with DX9 and DX10 for Vista. DX9.0L is for DX9 graphics cards to run under Vista, and its not even called DX9.0L anymore, it is DX 9.0Ex.

-The Alky Project

http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...inux-os-x.html

For 50 dollars you can have access to these program builds, that do not yet work. For 120 dollars you can buy Vista Premium OEM. You can get it free if you buy a new computer

Vista/drivers will be ready long before this Alky project will even work, let alone run something in DX10 well. If one can fork out 500+ for a GPU, and 60+ for a DX10 game, 120 for a new OS is nothing.

"by compiling Geometry Shaders down to native machine code for execution where hardware isn't capable of running it."

Seems somewhat redundant, considering the entire point of DX10 is to have the hardware/GPU do all the work.

I guess whats really promising though is that this whole project is lead by a 19 year old kid.

...My post shows the progress of people already interested in providing an alternative solution to those that simply don't want to upgrade to Vista. Surprisingly enough most people that don't want to migrate are not concerned with the cost. They are concerned with compatibility issues, ease of use, as well as the pain of making a transition


Not everyone is comfortable with a New OS. How many people out there are still running Win98SE?

While I love new & upcoming software & hardware & have a dual boot XP/Vista setup on my system I am in no hurry to completely migrate yet. Once Vista SP1 comes out I will probably finish the transition but until then I will be reluctant along with a lot of other people.

Even companies like Dell that switched to 100% Vista have backtracked & are now offering a choice between XP & Vista. Whether due to hardware & software incompatibilities or reluctant customers that have finally become comfortable with XP it doesn't matter. The bottom line remains. People want the choice.

DX10 is not supported in XP because M$ didn't want it to be. Just like their Halo 2 push "Only for Vista" they foresaw they would have problems getting people to migrate & instituted measure to try & force that move. Good ole M$, they are always looking out for them...erg you....yeah you....

My post was pointing out that by the time this project is anywhere near completed, Vista will be stable and performing better than XP, and most likely more desirable. Yes you may have the choice, but Vista will outweigh XP + DX10 emulation.

Lets see... XP was released October of 2001
SP1 was relased in September of 2002
SP2 was released in August of 2004 & was considered the "stable" version despite it's share of issues....

Doubt Vista will be for everyone within a year... A considerable amount of people were still running 98SE as of 2004, 3 years after XP's release. It was considered the OS for gamers...

(We will just pretend ME didn't happen in between)

The industry moves exponentially faster every year, and i didnt say Vista would be for everyone with in a year. This whole discussion is centered around DX10 and gaming, and if its stable for gaming, then gamers will move to it. As you said XP was cosidered the OS for gamers, and im sure Vista will follow a similar course due to DX10.

I agree, but Vista can be the most stable OS out there, with the best drivers for DX 10 cards, but if it doesn't have good DX 10 games then it won't be a "gamers OS."

Read a little closer you wil see I said 98SE, not XP:

I see, i misread, but either way this Alky project will be a complete waste being that Vista will be stable enough for gaming with plenty of DX10 capable titles out, long before the Alky project runs well, if it ever runs at all. A team lead by a 19 year old is not going to beat MS, sorry.

boomheadshot: I dont think Vista will be a "gamers OS" so to speak, but i think for awhile the appeal to upgrade to Vista will be DX10 until its rock solid and the new standard, but by then i think there is going to be another version of Windows.

Either way, a DX10 on XP will not be successful, unless implemented by MS, which i highly doubt will happen, and thats completely setting aside the driver situation.

Yeah I still have Windows 1.5 machine.

You really have to look at what M$ does to an industry, everytime they release a new OS it always brings with it NEW machines. These machines have the latest chipsets and cards that are supposed to optimize that OS and all the software that goes with it.

Its evolution, and although in tech terms a generation lasts a nanosecond its still an evolution. The industry is creating the demand for these machines, the public that knows about them wants them. Face it not everyone who has a computer is aware of these changes. Thats why AMD and Intel are killing themselves in a price war for the minority, the majority hasnt a clue.

We the minority are the guinea pigs, all we are buying are first removed betas, thats why these forums exist. The manufacturers want to see what the test results are. If it works it stays a while if it doesnt its gone.

If we all sat on the fence watching instead of doing we would still be running on DOS.

Thats called Planned Obsolesence. There would be no industry with out it.