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What I learned upgrading my friend's TM8204.

post #1 of 7
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I was asked to put Core 2 Duo into TM8204. Fun stuff.

Updated BIOS to 3319.

Opened back panel, unscrewed and removed heatpipe assembly. Discovered that contact of components with heatpipe is made through some sticky foamy material instead of thermal paste. Ha! Arctic silver time.

Put new processor in, applied arctic silver paste to CPU sink and ATI chip sink. Put everything back together.

Reboot. Check temps. Whoa, CPU is 37 degrees. That's cool!

Then problems started.

- Fan always on. Edit: on full, while blowing out cool air (since CPU is not hot, and ATI chip does not transfer heat to heatpipe). I remember someone reported experiencing this on the forums.
- Spontaneous reboots.
- Unexpected bootup after shutdown.
- etc.

Well, long story short, heatpipe was not touching ATI chip - needed thicker material there. Put the original stuff on ATI chip sink and assembled together. No more problems!

So, for those with the issues listed above: if you opened up laptop and replaced CPU and/or put thermal paste, check that ATI chip has thermal contact with sink/heatpipe.

Edit: This tells me that there are two thermal sensors - one near CPU and one near ATI chip - and fan is controlled either solely by ATI chip thermal sensor or by averaging temperature of both sensors. That's why when ATI chip is not cooled properly the fan is on full constantly. It allso means that ATI chip contributes the most heat in the system.

And another bit of experience. Restoring original system after converting C: and D: to NTFS. If you made restore DVD when prompted.

- Put any bootable XP CD, boot from it.
- Go through screens telling it that you want to install, not repair, not recover, reinstall.
- Get to the partition selection screen. Select C: to install XP to.
- Go further until it asks if you want to format it or leave intact. Choose format to FAT (Quick).
- Let it format. Interrupt setup.
- Put restore DVD in. Go through restore process. It'll overwrite C:, won't touch D:, and since C: is now FAT there will be no problem.

Perhaps will work even with restore from hidden partition that way. The trick is let XP setup reformat C: partition to FAT without touching D:

There it is. Have fun, everybody.
post #2 of 7
i think this is the same problem w/ ferrari laptops. the thermal solutions on the cpu/ati chipset is not proper/enough. tahts why some ferrari's tend to run hot and also some ati chipset burnout. we should maybe try this in ferrari as well!
post #3 of 7
how should i proceed to remove the "old" thermal paste applied by Acer? I'm planning to open my Ferrari and re-apply the thermal paste using arctic silver.
post #4 of 7
Very interesting post.

I think I have something to add to this...

My 5672 was having major overheating problems. The CPU would reach 91degc during a spybot check and the fan would never run any faster. My machine would start losing functionality one by one - wireless, usb, etc...

I took off my heatpipe and fan assembly and after only 6 months of use, found a lot of dust bunnies in my radiators.

When I put it all back together, my fan magically ran faster most of the time. I was happy. Now the whole unit feels cooler (no more hot mousepad), and the CPU never gets over low 50's.

So your message is a clue to why my fans run faster. I did not change anything with the heat pipes (no arcticsilver), but maybe it's not making the same contact that it was before and so it runs faster...

Hard to confirm this situation.





Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthAcer
I was asked to put Core 2 Duo into TM8204. Fun stuff.

Updated BIOS to 3319.

Opened back panel, unscrewed and removed heatpipe assembly. Discovered that contact of components with heatpipe is made through some sticky foamy material instead of thermal paste. Ha! Arctic silver time.

Put new processor in, applied arctic silver paste to CPU sink and ATI chip sink. Put everything back together.

Reboot. Check temps. Whoa, CPU is 37 degrees. That's cool!

Then problems started.

- Fan always on. Edit: on full, while blowing out cool air (since CPU is not hot, and ATI chip does not transfer heat to heatpipe). I remember someone reported experiencing this on the forums.
- Spontaneous reboots.
- Unexpected bootup after shutdown.
- etc.

Well, long story short, heatpipe was not touching ATI chip - needed thicker material there. Put the original stuff on ATI chip sink and assembled together. No more problems!

So, for those with the issues listed above: if you opened up laptop and replaced CPU and/or put thermal paste, check that ATI chip has thermal contact with sink/heatpipe.

Edit: This tells me that there are two thermal sensors - one near CPU and one near ATI chip - and fan is controlled either solely by ATI chip thermal sensor or by averaging temperature of both sensors. That's why when ATI chip is not cooled properly the fan is on full constantly. It allso means that ATI chip contributes the most heat in the system.

And another bit of experience. Restoring original system after converting C: and D: to NTFS. If you made restore DVD when prompted.

- Put any bootable XP CD, boot from it.
- Go through screens telling it that you want to install, not repair, not recover, reinstall.
- Get to the partition selection screen. Select C: to install XP to.
- Go further until it asks if you want to format it or leave intact. Choose format to FAT (Quick).
- Let it format. Interrupt setup.
- Put restore DVD in. Go through restore process. It'll overwrite C:, won't touch D:, and since C: is now FAT there will be no problem.

Perhaps will work even with restore from hidden partition that way. The trick is let XP setup reformat C: partition to FAT without touching D:

There it is. Have fun, everybody.
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post #6 of 7
My CPU temp sometime reaches about 54 degrees, after continuos use, is that normal.
HDD about 40 degrees.
What is the recommended temps?
Is that too high do I have to clean it out or something?
post #7 of 7
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluntspoon
My CPU temp sometime reaches about 54 degrees, after continuos use, is that normal.
HDD about 40 degrees.
What is the recommended temps?
Is that too high do I have to clean it out or something?

You have to understand that it's combined heat of CPU, video chip, and south bridge (USB, audio, ATA and SATA) results in that temperature reading because in Acer laptops all these components share the same heatpipe (cooling assembly). It also depends on processor type and whether you undervolted it. And ambient/room temperature is a factor too.

My TM8104 typically shows between 48 and 51 degrees under regular load and may go up to 74 during gaming. HD is 37 to 42 depending on how actively it is accessed.

52-54 is what my friend's TM8204 shows after I installed T7200 (Core 2 Duo 2GHz) for him. It definitely ran cooler before that - close to what I have in TM8104. Both undervolted. Don't know anything else about TM8204, will have to ask or check out.
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