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post #1 of 24
10/25/06 at 9:55am
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My brother is looking for the best laptop he can get for 2 grand. Has to be core 2 duo and not built in GPU. Also The hard drive has to be no less than 5400 RPM. Anyone with a top of the line system please reply or PM me. Thanks
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post #2 of 24
10/25/06 at 11:54am
Have a look at the one I'm selling - certainly meets his requirements.

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread179054.html
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post #3 of 24
10/25/06 at 11:59am
2 grand? tell him to spec out an AW or Asus somthing high quality

AW 5750 would be great, has an ati X1800 in it


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post #4 of 24
10/25/06 at 2:13pm
Go to Bal'thzar in the forum. He will give you the best deal for $2K..
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post #5 of 24
10/25/06 at 2:51pm
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i would if I could but i cant seem to find Bal*
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post #6 of 24
10/25/06 at 3:00pm
As an owner of a Pentium M, Core duo, AM2, and Core 2 duo machine, I have to say that processors are about as moot as it gets. Spend extra money on video and screw the processor, you won't regret it. The x1800 is supposedly a nice card, but for $2k you can easily get a 512mb nvidia card, whether geforce or quadro, and your speed will soar... unless you only use the machine for encoding or something.
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post #7 of 24
10/25/06 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by kevineugenius
As an owner of a Pentium M, Core duo, AM2, and Core 2 duo machine, I have to say that processors are about as moot as it gets. Spend extra money on video and screw the processor, you won't regret it. The x1800 is supposedly a nice card, but for $2k you can easily get a 512mb nvidia card, whether geforce or quadro, and your speed will soar... unless you only use the machine for encoding or something.

I agree..
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post #8 of 24
10/25/06 at 8:32pm
I PMed you this morning. I have a 2.0ghz Core Duo, 2 Gig of ram, 60 gig 72k rpm hdd, wuxga, 512mb 7900gtx im willing to sell for less than 2000.
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post #9 of 24
10/25/06 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by kevineugenius
As an owner of a Pentium M, Core duo, AM2, and Core 2 duo machine, I have to say that processors are about as moot as it gets. Spend extra money on video and screw the processor, you won't regret it. The x1800 is supposedly a nice card, but for $2k you can easily get a 512mb nvidia card, whether geforce or quadro, and your speed will soar... unless you only use the machine for encoding or something.

No. They matter. Alot.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2014654,00.asp

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2800&p=8
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post #10 of 24
10/25/06 at 9:57pm
check out the laptop that i am selling

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread179365.html

The difference between a Core Duo and a Core 2 Duo is extremely small in real world applications.
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post #11 of 24
10/25/06 at 10:42pm
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Originally Posted by kevineugenius
As an owner of a Pentium M, Core duo, AM2, and Core 2 duo machine, I have to say that processors are about as moot as it gets. Spend extra money on video and screw the processor, you won't regret it. The x1800 is supposedly a nice card, but for $2k you can easily get a 512mb nvidia card, whether geforce or quadro, and your speed will soar... unless you only use the machine for encoding or something.


Actually.. it depends on the person who's using the laptop. For most users who use a computer for email and web surfing, it probably won't matter. But if someone's planning on dropping $2k for a laptop, I'm guessing they're doing more than that. If they are doing CPU intensive number crunching, the processor is going to matter more than the graphics card.. but if they plan on playing the latest games on ultra high settings, they should look into an uber graphics card. For me, I like the middle ground with a good processor and decent graphics.
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post #12 of 24
10/25/06 at 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by doggyworld
Actually.. it depends on the person who's using the laptop. For most users who use a computer for email and web surfing, it probably won't matter. But if someone's planning on dropping $2k for a laptop, I'm guessing they're doing more than that. If they are doing CPU intensive number crunching, the processor is going to matter more than the graphics card.. but if they plan on playing the latest games on ultra high settings, they should look into an uber graphics card. For me, I like the middle ground with a good processor and decent graphics.

To you and the other guy who gave a couple links:

That's why I did add a little disclaimer about whether or not you do encoding or some such proc-intensive thing. I am a gamer, so I can't help but assume everyone else is, which is my bad. However, those links to reviews you gave? Those aren't 100% relevant. It doesn't show things like:

Uber-proc with 256mb mid-line graphics v. ghetto-proc with 512mb high-end graphics.

I've never done the test either, but processor upgrades have never left me shaking in my boots because of the raw power... Graphics card upgrades do.
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post #13 of 24
10/25/06 at 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by kevineugenius
To you and the other guy who gave a couple links:

That's why I did add a little disclaimer about whether or not you do encoding or some such proc-intensive thing. I am a gamer, so I can't help but assume everyone else is, which is my bad. However, those links to reviews you gave? Those aren't 100% relevant. It doesn't show things like:

Uber-proc with 256mb mid-line graphics v. ghetto-proc with 512mb high-end graphics.

I've never done the test either, but processor upgrades have never left me shaking in my boots because of the raw power... Graphics card upgrades do.

I see your point, but you said the processor is moot, which was quite simply untrue. As far as it comparing a good processor with a lower end card vs a higher end card with a worse processor, that would not be comparing CPUs. To compare CPUs you would need to keep everything constant except the CPU, to determine which CPU is best. The tests are 100% relevant, there is no need to show good cpu with bad card vs bad cpu with good card.

I do agree 100% with you that a GPU upgrade for better FPS would certainly give you much more return than a CPU upgrade for better FPS. My only point was that with gaming, CPUs matter alot.

Now, had we been discussing a DX10 card, it would be a whole different story as many of the CPU operations are supposedly being moved to the GPU, requiring either less processor, or leaving more room for physics operations, which ever way you want to look at it.

Bottomline: The better your CPU, the more things/object can be calculated into the game "world", therefore CPUs matter (In gaming that is).
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post #14 of 24
10/25/06 at 11:50pm
Yes of course. I'm editing video while playing the role of Sam Fisher in Chaos Theory. However, I can never seem to complete the Bank Heist, because I'm always getting killed.

Gotta stop Alt-Tabbing out of Chaos Theory to edit that video!

/sarcasm
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post #15 of 24
10/26/06 at 12:37am
So youre saying, you only need a good CPU and a good GPU if your going to edit videos while playing games? And that you dont need a good CPU to play games?

Express your sarcasm somewhere else.

Im full well aware that you can play games just fine on a lower end processor if you have a good video card. The fact of the matter is that contrary to what was stated, CPUs do have significant impact, whether you want to believe it not.
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post #16 of 24
10/26/06 at 1:07am
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
So youre saying, you only need a good CPU and a good GPU if your going to edit videos while playing games? And that you dont need a good CPU to play games?

Express your sarcasm somewhere else.

Im full well aware that you can play games just fine on a lower end processor if you have a good video card. The fact of the matter is that contrary to what was stated, CPUs do have significant impact, whether you want to believe it not.
Well, not that I am siding here but:

I had a 2.4, pulled it and sold it and put back in the original 1.6. Both 533 mhz, both 2meg l2 cache....

Didn't lose a frame in CS source, or any of the other games that I play. However, loading times are significantly longer, along with random openings in windows.
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post #17 of 24
10/26/06 at 1:20am
2.4 P M vs 1.6 P M = same architecture, same cache, same fsb, same memory speed, just slower clock

The difference is between say a Core 2 Duo vs AM2 in this case, or a Pentium M vs Turion or whatever AMDs mobile chip is.

Chip architecture, cache, fsb, memory speed play a larger roll, and i would have to say frequency alone is probably the last thing that would cause a change something like FPS, or even at all as your tests have shown.
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post #18 of 24
10/26/06 at 2:31am
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
2.4 P M vs 1.6 P M = same architecture, same cache, same fsb, same memory speed, just slower clock

The difference is between say a Core 2 Duo vs AM2 in this case, or a Pentium M vs Turion or whatever AMDs mobile chip is.

Chip architecture, cache, fsb, memory speed play a larger roll, and i would have to say frequency alone is probably the last thing that would cause a change something like FPS, or even at all as your tests have shown.
Ahh, I see where you're coming from.
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post #19 of 24
10/26/06 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
So youre saying, you only need a good CPU and a good GPU if your going to edit videos while playing games? And that you dont need a good CPU to play games?

Express your sarcasm somewhere else.

Im full well aware that you can play games just fine on a lower end processor if you have a good video card. The fact of the matter is that contrary to what was stated, CPUs do have significant impact, whether you want to believe it not.

This is a public forum. I can express my sarcasm anywhere I damn well please, considering for laptops, my example applies.

This is a sale thread, so, I suppose you need to express your "opinion" somewhere else.
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post #20 of 24
10/26/06 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
2.4 P M vs 1.6 P M = same architecture, same cache, same fsb, same memory speed, just slower clock

The difference is between say a Core 2 Duo vs AM2 in this case, or a Pentium M vs Turion or whatever AMDs mobile chip is.

Chip architecture, cache, fsb, memory speed play a larger roll, and i would have to say frequency alone is probably the last thing that would cause a change something like FPS, or even at all as your tests have shown.

Nice example, if I could find it.

When games are threaded for multiple cores and that becomes the standard, then get back to me.

Hell, in gaming RAM is more significant than the processor, and the video card even much more significant. The only good thing about Core 2 Duos in gaming is that the GPU is no longer bottlenecked. You could use a high end card at it's full potential.

Of course, next you'll tell me that the Aeigia Phys-X engine pwns all, right?
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