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HP PAVILION DV9030EA - AMD Turion™ 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-56

post #1 of 14
10/30/06 at 3:52pm
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I have NEVER heard of the AMD Turion™ 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-56 processor.....is it the same as a 1.8Ghz core duo CPU???? i.e. 2 x 1.8Ghz ????

I'm thinking of buying the HP PAVILION DV9030EA.

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en...-12435946.html


How does it compare to the Intel Core Duo 1.8Ghz Processor??

Is this laptop good enough to do lots of 3D CAD work and 3D rendering??
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post #2 of 14
10/30/06 at 6:16pm
Tomshardware (and others) is always a good starting point for new h/w questions --> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/08/..._have_arrived/

Not sure, but the CPU comparison charts may be updated to show the Core Duo and Core 2 Duo's by now. You can get all sorts of opinions on AMD vs Intel, or Core Duo vs Core 2 Duo if you ask. I use AMD and Intel chips in my various machines, and can't tell the difference in the real world.

As for 3D CAD and rendering, that depends on what you are using and for what purpose. Any modern graphics engine will support DirectX 3D stuff, for example, while AutoCAD users sometimes need a dedicated graphics engine that costs almost as much as a new machine.
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post #3 of 14
10/30/06 at 8:21pm
That's just amd's dual core notebook processor.
Intel is and has always been better than amd at any form of encoding work.
The real reason amd was favored was because of its desktop overclockability and gaming pre-unsurpassed performance.
If you need it to be mobile too, look for a Core Duo or Core 2 Duo, they'll give you slightly more battery life, as well as better rendering speeds.
the dv9000t series isn't overpriced either...
If I'm not mistaken, cad should be able to take advantage of 64-bit, right?
If so, then go with Core 2 Duo, not Core Duo...

[this is just my opinion]
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post #4 of 14
10/30/06 at 10:15pm
Dodgem,

Unless there is a BIG price differance, I'd go with the Intel Core 2 Duo cpu'd machine...

It is "the" cpu to get as noted above.

Before buying anything you should be sure that the gpu is going to "work" with your CAD app as AmigaDude pointed out above as "true" CAD cards are very expensive. (Read that as to contact the CAD app tech support to verify the GPU used is supported of whatever unit you're thinking of buying. There is some info on this in the bottom link, talk about what card would be good for CAD work....

What CAD programs are "looking" for in the gpu)

GPU=Video card.


A "better" machine for CAD work would be one of the HP's business machines, (Business grade).... Or maybe a DELL M90...which is the "Business grade" version of the Dell 1705 /XPS 1710 the Dell M90 coming in two flavors, the 1500, and 2500 gpu... which are really the Nivida 7900GS (1500), and the 2500 being the 7900GTX which are meant for, certified for 3D Cad work...


Here's some info on a good deal on the Dell 1705 (with the 7900GS, which is a way faster gpu than the NVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 7600

http://www.notebookforums.com/post2464861-6.html


You might want to ask on the Dell side of the board if anyone has tried the DELL M90 Cad certified drivers on the 1705....


Here's some info you might want to read thru:

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread178265.html
http://www.notebookforums.com/thread157799.html
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post #5 of 14
10/30/06 at 10:28pm
PS:...

Another thing to consider are the SCREEN options on whatever you end up buying.

HP 17 inch screen come in three flavors

1440x900
Brightview- Single lamp
Ultra Brightview -Same, but with dual lamp

1680x1050 -Single lamp... Slight drop off in corners (which is to be expected), but gives more screen realestate...


BTW: Dell units are offered with HIGHER resolution screens which I would assume to be a big plus in CAD work...
1900x1280..

http://www.notebookforums.com/post2464861-6.html
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post #6 of 14
10/31/06 at 7:10am
Thread Starter 
OK. Thanks for your advice. You were kind of reiterating what I thought already, which is good. I've discounted the laptop in my opening post (with the AMD Turion 64 x2 CPU).

The Dell M90 was my number 1 choice ages ago but I tried to look for cheaper alternatives because it's sooo expensive.

I think with minimum features (which is still impressive) it costs about £1000. It has the Nvidia Quadro FX-2500. But other features are not enough, such as the 80GB HDD and 1GB Ram. Once you start upgrading these 2 features the price ROCKETS!!

I tried to come up with a cheaper HP alternative in the DV 9088ea which costs £1,100. It has a NVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 7600 512MB, which I don't know is good enough?? But the HDD = 160GB and the Ram = 2GB are both good points.

I'm not really certain which to choose, and whether there are any other alternatives to these 2 laptops.
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post #7 of 14
10/31/06 at 10:16am
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Listening to your advice I decided that the AMD Turion X2 isn't as good as the Intel Duo 2 Core. Also, the graphics card listed with the AMD doesn't seem good enough for 3D CAD work either, so I now go back to my 2 original options.......

Either a Dell 9400 or Dell m90:

They both cost £950, and I haven't got enough money to upgrade either of them.

Dell 9400:
Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 2.0Ghz
2GB DDR2 667Mhz Memory (2x1024)
120 GB 5,400 Hard Drive And a USB Floppy Drive
17 Inch WUXGA+ (1920x1200)
256MB NVIDIA Go 7900 GS Graphics
Intel® Pro WLAN 3945 Internal Wireless (802.11a/b/g 54 Mbps) Fast Wireless Lan And a fitted Bluetooth Card
8xDVD+/-RW Multiformat DVD&CD Writer

OR

Dell M90:
Intel Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz
1GB of DDR2 667MHz Memory
17 Inch WUXGA+ (1920x1200)
512MB NVIDIA Quadro FX-2500M Graphics
80GB Hard Drive
Wireless Lan And a fitted Bluetooth Card
8xDVDROM+/-CDRW

Which one should I get???

bearing in mind that I need it specifically for 3D CAD modelling and rendering work
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post #8 of 14
10/31/06 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by dodgem

Which one should I get???

bearing in mind that I need it specifically for 3D CAD modelling and rendering work


On the ram, you can always "upgrade" that later, so don't let that be a "big" part of what you go with.

From all the posts I've read, the M90 uses the same motherboard as the 1705 (9400) and the gpu's are the same, except the Quadro series gpu, (or the drivers) are for Cad type apps. I've read you can use the 7900GS/ 7900GTX drivers on a M90 running the Quadro cards, so you might be able to run the Quadro M90 drivers on a 1705/ 9400 to get the same effect for less money. Don't know what "hacks" are needed to the drivers to get them to work, off hand, or if any "hack" is needed. I'd suggest you pose the same question on the DELL side of the board in the 17 inch section.


I'd be torn between the two systems above, one having the Core 2 Duo which is going to be a little faster, the other having the 512MB NVIDIA Quadro FX-2500M Graphics gpu.

512MB NVIDIA Quadro FX-2500M Graphics =7900GTX, used in the Dell XPS 1710

256MB NVIDIA Quadro FX-2500M Graphics = 7900GS, used in the Dell 1705-as an "option", I think it being the "base" gpu of the XPS 1710..


Another thing that comes into the mix is the M90 is a "Business Machine", which means in most cases you're going to get better "service", if service is needed.



Cheers,


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post #9 of 14
10/31/06 at 4:19pm
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A option on the 80 gig hard drive would be an external hard drive enclosure using a "desktop" drive.

Comes in very handy for back-ups, offloading stuff which just takes up space.... and really you should be offloading any data which you can't afford to lose..

Someone steals the laptop and you've got all your work on it, you're screwed.


Hard drive CAN be replaced later in a cost effective manner... so can the ram... Much more so that a cpu, or gpu "upgrade".!!!!

While your trying to decide, I get the spec's, link to the gpu's used in each and contact the mfg of the CAD software you're planning on running.

(BTW: What CAD apps /versions numbers are you talking about?)
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post #10 of 14
10/31/06 at 5:38pm
Thread Starter 
Hi again,

I have posed the same questions (on this forum) about the Dell 9400 and the Dell m90 laptops (listed above), on Toms Hardware forum as well.

Someone on Toms Hardware ALSO said that it MAY be possible to use the Quadro drivers for the 7900GS ....Goodness knows how I'd do that. I don't usually go into the bios and start messing around.

'Toms Hardware guys' said that the Quadro is 60% faster than the 7900gs (with its own regular drivers) - which is phenomenal

But IF I CAN update the driver for the 7900gs, so that it performs like a Quadro, then that would be brilliant!!


I have one other MAJOR question about the Dell 9400 and Dell M90 listed above....

I can't afford to upgrade the Dell m90's 1GB Ram to 2GB. If I were to buy it, with the spec listed above, would it be a faster system than the Dell 9400 (listed above with 2GB Ram) ???



CAD Program I mainly use: BENTLEY MICROSTATION V8.
I found a list of graphics cards that this program works best with:
http://selectservices.bentley.com/en-US/Support/Support+Tools/TechNote...nd+FAQs

I also use Photoshop + Illustrator, and sometimes Autocad and Maya too..

P.S. You're also right about the M90. It comes with 3 years business support, but I need the laptop for only 1/2 a year, before I sell it on. The only thing would be that an m90 will be easier to sell.
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post #11 of 14
10/31/06 at 6:36pm
The Quadro 1500 is the 7900GS with drivers geared towards image quality from what I gather... Using the 1500 in a gaming situation is 1- 2 fps SLOWER than the 7900Gs from a post I just read somewhere.... I would think that in a CAD app the 1500 would be slighty faster, but 60%????


On the BIOS, if memory serves me right you just flash the bios of the M90 with the bios from the 1710... I would assume this can be done in reverse to enable the drivers from the M90 to be installed. There may also be a "hack" in the ini /inf? file of the driver inself requiring no bios update to be done.


Just ran across this info, In English, and the more updated chart in German...


http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-...ist.844.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Mobile-...ste.735.0.html



BTW: PLEASE POST BACK HERE the results of your research on if the drivers of the M90 Quadro 1500 /2500M can be used on the Dell 1705 (9400).
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post #12 of 14
10/31/06 at 7:35pm
Thread Starter 
I think in most things the 7900gs would be enough. But I would like to know how it compares with the Quadro on OpenGL.

I think CAD applications rely mostly on OpenGL support (so I've been told).

The benchmark is pretty good (but doesn't have an OpenGL comparison)

I'll try and look for one......
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post #13 of 14
11/1/06 at 12:28pm
Tidbits for those that may be wondering if the 7900GS can use the drivers of the M90 Quadro FX1500/2500M:

In theory... could u swap a 7800GO for a 7900GO, or a 7800GO for a Quadro FX2500M?
http://www.notebookforums.com/thread143322.html
http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=143322

Upgrading the 7900gs using Quadro drivers....is it possible??
http://www.notebookforums.com/thread180059.html
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6/23/09 at 7:09pm
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