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post #21 of 120
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Originally Posted by Snoopyduke
So I actually received this computer today. Which would be all good and wonderful, if it wasn't for the fact that there doesn't seem to be any apparent way to identify it as T7600G (yes, it was ordered as one).

I've ordered a M1710 T7600G last week and they changed yesterday the estimated shipping date for the middle of december(!)
post #22 of 120
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Originally Posted by quontor23
I've ordered a M1710 T7600G last week and they changed yesterday the estimated shipping date for the middle of december(!)

WoW that a long est. ship time! I wonder if there having some kind of issue with these very unique special G chips.
post #23 of 120
Thread Starter 
Finally talked to the tech rep - Taking everything she said with a grain of salt, I have no idea if she actually knows what she's talking about, but she did say two interesting things.

The first is that another BIOS update is going to be released 2nd week of November which will actually enable the bios option to overclock (it's there but not selectable for me). She claimed there was otherwise no way for me to tell that it was a 7600G, which is pretty annoying because I still have no way of telling if they actually sent the right processor.

The second, and more interesting bit is that she also claimed that all T7600 processors that dell is currently shipping (whether you selected the T7600G or not) are actually the G versions. I'm not sure I believe that, but that's what she said.

The intel utility didn't show anything that would help (me) ID the thing, but if anyone knows better -
the proc ID was 06F6 Rev. 48.

-dan
post #24 of 120
Hah, I just called Dell to talk to someone about this, after 15 minutes of not being able to find me in their DB, I asked if I could just speak with someone and ask my question. He said sure, then summarily disconnected me. Eek.
post #25 of 120
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Originally Posted by Snoopyduke
Finally talked to the tech rep - Taking everything she said with a grain of salt, I have no idea if she actually knows what she's talking about, but she did say two interesting things. The first is that another BIOS update is going to be released 2nd week of November which will actually enable the bios option to overclock (it's there but not selectable for me). She claimed there was otherwise no way for me to tell that it was a 7600G, which is pretty annoying because I still have no way of telling if they actually sent the right processor. The second, and more interesting bit is that she also claimed that all T7600 processors that dell is currently shipping (whether you selected the T7600G or not) are actually the G versions. I'm not sure I believe that, but that's what she said. The intel utility didn't show anything that would help (me) ID the thing, but if anyone knows better - the proc ID was 06F6 Rev. 48. -dan
Well i'll make sure she sends you this apparently new bios ASAP. I find it hard to believe another bios is due required so soon when this new A03 was just completed 4 weeks ago. How dumb is all this. This is unexceptable I would be raising this to the highest level or they can just refund you the extra $500 you paid to get a T7600G So sorry to hear this has happened to you snoopduke....Either way keep as informed and good luck.
post #26 of 120
I seriousy think that the T7600G is just a BIOS package that comes with the processor; so basically you pay an extra $275 to for a BIOS that allows you to overclock. I think it's non-sense, along with the assertion that other mobile C2D processors can't be overclocked. The same was said about the conroe, but yet shortly after its release, there were people overclocking E6300s, E6400s, even the all mighty X6800. Here is an article from AnandTech, which shows an overclocked E6300 and an E6400 with stock cooling, but modified voltage.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2802&p=2

I'm sure that there are better cooling metals/materials that can be put for laptops that can be molded out of the originals, but what is the possibility of that hapenning? Anyways, I really doubt that the T7600G is a completely seperate chip from the regular T7600.
post #27 of 120
Snoopy can you please run the intel util again and then save the output to file and send it to me.

Cheers

Michael.

Thanks Snoopy
post #28 of 120
OK well I have a T7600G should be here shortly and I am really interested in what is happening. I didn't get a chance to followup with it but I will shortly
post #29 of 120
I use CPU-Z on my system, which returns the following for my T7600 :

Family 6 Model F Stepping 6 Rev B2

The intel utility that you mention says :

CPU type 0
Family 6
Model F
Stepping 6
Rev 48

Adrian.
post #30 of 120
I'm wondering if the T7600g Models Might have some special A03 rev Bios and maybe it's not working right, and there probably just Makeing an A04 Bios to fix it.

and hopefully...hopefully we can just go buy any t7600 and pop it in and overclock it....yeah I know wishful thinking.
post #31 of 120
Thread Starter 
has anyone else gotten this thing yet?

Other than the above claims the one rep made, they've been a little less than helpful. No response via email, nothing back from either of the reps who claimed they would email me, etc. Just hoping someone else gets the chip now so they can see if they have the same issue.
post #32 of 120
Mine should be coming Tue/Wed of next week and I'll dig in too.
post #33 of 120
i'd be making such a fuss if i had paid that much and had that happen. I'd be pushing for a tech to come out and swap the chip, i'd be angling for compensation, and i'd be threatening returns before the cool off period ran out. But then again i do hate talking to indian call centres who have a made glasses of water seem well informed.

Good luck either way
post #34 of 120
Well, we all know...

post #35 of 120
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Originally Posted by lancorp

I think the "G" version is a Dell dream, probably just a BIOS switch.

Basically, the T7600G processor is the same as the T7600 except the multiplier has been unlocked. If you look at the Dell blog, there is a video of an engineer who is showing the overclocking options for the M1710. You can tell that the T7600G has an unlocked multiplier due to the overclocking options of 2.33, 2.66, 3.00, 3.16 (multiplier's of 14x, 15x, 16x and 17x) Usually Intel hardwires the multiplier to be locked- except on the Extreme Edition's of their processors. The point is, if you're going to spend top dollar on the best processor, you want to get extra features out of it, which is why Intel usually unlocks their best processors.
It would seem that Intel has made a special arrangement with Dell to provide unlocked T7600's (much like engineering samples), but not make it into a retail product, hence why Intel says the T7600G doesn't exist.

Therefore because the 'regular' T7600 would have a locked multiplier, they would be no way you could overclock it in the Dell BIOS. You would have to overclock the FSB which nobody can seem to do as nobody knows the correct PLL that Dell uses (**if anyone does have any information on Dell PLL's we'd love to hear from you )
post #36 of 120
whats a "Dell PLL" ?
post #37 of 120
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Originally Posted by stuckinasquare3
whats a "Dell PLL" ?

I'm guessing,

"Most electronic systems include processors of various sorts that operate at hundreds of megahertz. Typically, the clocks supplied to these processors come from clock generator PLLs, which multiply a lower-frequency reference clock (usually 50 or 100 MHz) up to the operating frequency of the processor. The multiplication factor can be quite large in cases where the operating frequency is multiple gigahertz and the reference crystal is just tens or hundreds of megahertz."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-locked_loop

Thus, by increasing the multiplier in the PLL, you should be able to increase the frequency that the system operates under. Now, I don't know if it affects the FSB (@667 MHz) or the CPU itself, or both.
post #38 of 120
Ok so here's what I know about the T7600g.

T7600 and T7600g are 2 different proc's
The max speed is 3.16ghz
Fans always on (above 3.0ghz)
Throttle temp about 80c(throttles back one step until temp lowers).
The sweet spot seems to be 2.83ghz fans come on as needed.
Proc speeds: 2.33, 2.50,2.66,2.83,3.0,3.16

Zyb
post #39 of 120
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Originally Posted by zyb
Ok so here's what I know about the T7600g.

T7600 and T7600g are 2 different proc's
The max speed is 3.16ghz
Fans always on (above 3.0ghz)
Throttle temp about 80c(throttles back one step until temp lowers).
The sweet spot seems to be 2.83ghz fans come on as needed.
Proc speeds: 2.33, 2.50,2.66,2.83,3.0,3.16

Zyb

Hey zyb,

Have you try one of these 7600G?? In term is it a big different in gaming? I assume it will be a gap different in video encode and decoding or photoshop, but what about in gaming?
post #40 of 120
I have seen one in a system but have not been able to sit down and run bench marks and what not on one yet. Once I get my hands on one ( hopefully soon) I will post some bench marks. I would expect only a minimal increase in gaming performance but larger in improvements in applications.


Zyb
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