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post #221 of 1054
11/5/06 at 7:05pm
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1. What are the chances of it totally destryoing the card? so far noone has, but if you want to be the first i will tell you how.
2. Would I just put -4 -5 -6 command in place of the other one in stormlifters guide? yes.
3.What would a good rom to start of with be? 5xxc5xx.rom
4. DO I need to flash the whole bios to the GTX first or will the rom do that? the room is the bios.
5. FOr the bootdisk can I just burn it with ImgBurn? yes
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post #222 of 1054
11/5/06 at 7:25pm
Yolda,

I've been following this whole VIDx debate and I'm trying to figure out which story to believe. For example, you say that your original configuration was flawed and that you should have chosen VID6 and not VID3 for 1V. Yet when I pull up a the ROM titled ORIGINAL.ROM from your CD I see it set for VID3. Likewise, when I pull down a copy of the original GS BIOS from MKVTech I also see VID3 (in fact, it's 1V for both VID3 and VID7).

I'd like someone to provide a straight answer on this issue. I'm currently running your 600c800.ROM with good results, however, idle temps are a bit higher than I'd like (I find myself running i8kfangui on force-fans-high a lot). If I need to hack the ROM and do a custom VID6 mod I will - I just want to be sure that it's really necessary.

Note: I'm running Vista (5840) so RivaTuner and the like don't work reliably as monitoring solutions.

Also, anyone know of a good reference for this stuff? The NiBiTor guide is a bit Spartan...

RCK
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post #223 of 1054
11/5/06 at 7:29pm
Wow yolda thanks for the complete and fast response. Well I dont see a 5xxc5xx.rom but I see 5xx6xx.rom I will use one of those.
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post #224 of 1054
11/5/06 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by crimsontwo
Are you talking about NFS Carbon? If yes, then... which resolution and settings are you using? With 1600x1200 + max settings (no AA and no vertical sync), I don't recall getting more than 20 fps.

nope, im on 1280x1024 settings on high... on 1600x1200 max i got around 20 like you... sux big time...
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post #225 of 1054
11/5/06 at 7:46pm
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I've been following this whole VIDx debate and I'm trying to figure out which story to believe. For example, you say that your original configuration was flawed and that you should have chosen VID6 and not VID3 for 1V. Yet when I pull up a the ROM titled ORIGINAL.ROM from your CD I see it set for VID3. Likewise, when I pull down a copy of the original GS BIOS from MKVTech I also see VID3 (in fact, it's 1V for both VID3 and VID7).
They are the same rom provided by joker, all of his roms are flawed. I am still testing why VID3 is not working, that is why i asked for a fresh factory bios from someone that hasnt flashed his card yet. So far i have seen that VIDs 4-6 work fine for the 1V config, but i like to use the Vid4 just incase, becuse its closer to VID3 lol, vid 2 gives a stange behaivor, setting the lowvoltage vid to 5, when it should go down to 2. So far until i get fresh bioses from someone (GTX and GS) i am not going to update the ISO or come with a final answer. I have been testing timmings and geometric delta clock too, but i havent seen any real peformance gain on it for my card. If people are concerned about battery life, i advice to use VID4 for now, and use the old nvidia control panel, under power mizer use for battery config use "maximum power saving", that way your card will ignore the thortle setting and go straight foward to 2d, that maximices battery life.
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post #226 of 1054
11/5/06 at 7:57pm
Yolda,

OK. I understand that joker's ROMs were reportedly flawed. However, I pulled what is supposed to be the original ROM for a GS from MKVTech and it, too, shows VID3/7, albeit both at 1V. If this is indeed how the stock ROM is programmed then it would seem to contradict what you're saying.

RCK
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post #227 of 1054
11/5/06 at 8:21pm
OMG! I just did the flash..........8,224 in 3DMark with only the 550c625.rom! Amazing, I don't even know if I want to push it anymore.
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post #228 of 1054
11/5/06 at 8:26pm
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MKVTech uses the joker stock rom. Wich has both VIDS at 1V. but the vid wont change.
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post #229 of 1054
11/5/06 at 10:33pm
So I ran ATITool to check everything out and it ran for a couple minutes fine. I check my GPU temp and it is up at 84 C. I think that is really high. I then go to the NVidia control panel to see if it is reading the same temp only to find out I no longer can moniter temps in that control panel. I downloaded I8FanGUI to try to get it under control. I open the program and my GPU temp along with all the other temps except CPU are not showing up. Whats up with this?
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post #230 of 1054
11/5/06 at 10:57pm
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try using a higher clock, maybe the problem is just configuration
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post #231 of 1054
11/5/06 at 11:10pm
Today I was served a BSOD on boot up... a "Parity Error, Contact Hardware Vendor" BSOD. No doubt it is a result of messing with the video card, as this has only happened after the GTX BIOS flashing.

I turned off the computer, and it went to the boot options window.. ie. safe mode, safe mode w/ networking etc.. I chose "Last Good Config", and it let me into Windows. Computer has been working fine ever since.

yolda- I edited the .rom I was using to change the voltages, like you suggest on the first page. Do you think this has anything to do with that?
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post #232 of 1054
11/5/06 at 11:14pm
I dont suppose anyone with an OC-ed GS run some Counterstrike Source video stress tests for me and report there average FPS with all setting maxed out except vsync and at 1920x1200 res?
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post #233 of 1054
11/5/06 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by yolda


They are the same rom provided by joker, all of his roms are flawed.
I am still testing why VID3 is not working, that is why i asked for a fresh factory bios from someone that hasnt flashed his card yet.
So far i have seen that VIDs 4-6 work fine for the 1V config, but i like to use the Vid4 just incase, becuse its closer to VID3 lol, vid 2 gives a stange behaivor, setting the lowvoltage vid to 5, when it should go down to 2. So far until i get fresh bioses from someone (GTX and GS) i am not going to update the ISO or come with a final answer. I have been testing timmings and geometric delta clock too, but i havent seen any real peformance gain on it for my card.

If people are concerned about battery life, i advice to use VID4 for now, and use the old nvidia control panel, under power mizer use for battery config use "maximum power saving", that way your card will ignore the thortle setting and go straight foward to 2d, that maximices battery life.
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VID 03 = 1v on all the go79x0's
VID 07 = 1v on the go7900 GS and 1.24v on the both GTX's
VID 04 = 1.32v on the go7950 GTX only used here.

So is our GTX BIOS modded GS running on 1v or 1.24v when were on VID 07 ?

The voltage must be controllable as NVIDIA do it.
The go7900GS and go7900GTX have very similar BIOS's and board numbers, we can almost assume the same cards except for the GPU and memory amount.
The BIOS controls that if there is a go7900GTX use 1.24v and a GS only gets 1v on VID 07 (3D mode) 2 different voltages for the same GPU.

Now the go7950 GTX comes in with a very different board number and BIOS number and BIOS size.
The go7950 GTX BIOS has 3 VIDs it has VID 04 for 1.32v.
Does the BIOS switch to all 3 VIDs in certain performance modes ?

It's a pity there is no app that measures the actual GPU voltage, the GPU being stuck on VID 07 means very little, as it could still be switching internally.
One way is to clock the 3D clocks the same as 2D and see if there is a temp rise.

All in all very confusing.
If your new to this assume your going to loose battery life with the BIOS mods.
The BIOS mods are afterall to increase over gaming speed.
If you need more battery life just lower the 2D clocks accordingly.

Lots more testing is required to see what really happens.
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post #234 of 1054
11/6/06 at 12:16am
Is modding w/ nitbitor thingy really needed? I just flashed bios and everything seems to be working fine so far.
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post #235 of 1054
11/6/06 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by ACHlLLES
Is modding w/ nitbitor thingy really needed? I just flashed bios and everything seems to be working fine so far.
Not really, just use the included ROM's and flash.
All this voltage stuff is confusing everyone.

Nibitor is good to play with once you get more confident.
BUT it pays to have a bootable USB Flash Drive handy with the original rom and nvflash app on this.
So should it all go wrong you can at least blindly flash the BIOS back (as I had to)
Once the BIOS has had a bad flash the lappy WON'T boot to a bootable CD so you CAN'T reflash it this way (as I found out)
Also remember the name of the original BIOS ROM and the command to flash it back as the screen will not work at all and you are typing blindly.
Be prepared as you have been warned.
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post #236 of 1054
11/6/06 at 1:11am
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Originally Posted by nissanztt90
I dont suppose anyone with an OC-ed GS run some Counterstrike Source video stress tests for me and report there average FPS with all setting maxed out except vsync and at 1920x1200 res?
With 4x and 16x @ 1920x1200, i just averaged 107.97. I've been able to pull over 125 fps if i close certain background programs.
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post #237 of 1054
11/6/06 at 1:17am
What background programs? I get 113 fps at 600/700 with my GTX. ANy higher than that and it artifacts and is unstable. I really wonder how the GS ram can OC so much further than GTX. Timings?
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post #238 of 1054
11/6/06 at 2:25am
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What background programs? I get 113 fps at 600/700 with my GTX. ANy higher than that and it artifacts and is unstable. I really wonder how the GS ram can OC so much further than GTX. Timings?
no its not timmings, i have just tried moddifed timmings and i got the cahnce to reduce them by 3 and i only got a performance increase of 100 points an allmost a half FPS, so its not worth it, GS timmings can be reduce up to 10-15 values, but stil the performance gain is about 600 points, not even reching 9000. The delta off set works fine but not with me, if people have high end cards they may raise thier clock up to 675 or even 700, but i cant go beyond 615. I wont update the ISo until someone gets me a factory fresh GTX and GS bios lol.
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post #239 of 1054
11/6/06 at 3:06am
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Originally Posted by yolda

I wont update the ISo until someone gets me a factory fresh GTX and GS bios lol.

Will someone please post this for him? I'm waiting on these new ISOs...

Long time reader first time poster

BTW. How would someone who hasn't done any OCing yet, actauly extract the BIOS from their lappy?
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post #240 of 1054
11/6/06 at 3:23am
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BTW. How would someone who hasn't done any OCing yet, actauly extract the BIOS from their lappy?
Use nibitor, under the top menus, select read bios from device, select the video card, then go do it again and select read it into a file and then just save it.
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