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post #1 of 18
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Hey all,

I've had my Sager 8790 for over 2 years now, and have just come across the first problem I've ever been able to not explain.

I leave my 8790 on and plugged in all the time, it sits happily on a coffee table, in a room where the ambient temperature is usually 75F. The temperatures vary between 35-45, depending on what it's doing.

Lately, while streaming internet radio or just jumping around the internet, I've noticed that the system makes a steady, beeping noise at a random point in time.

Right now, as I'm typing, the LED's across the bottom of the lid are green, green, and orange, which tells me that the battery is on AC power and that the battery is fully charged. (and that Wi-Fi is on)

When the 'beeping' starts, I notice that the green LED that signifies the CAPS LOCK and the Number Lock blinks along with the system. The beeping last for about one minute. Also, I've watched the AC adapter while the beeping happens; the brick's green LED stays lit, indicating to me that the AC adapter is working as normal.

One of two things happen when the beeping ends. My system will shut down completely, as if I held down the power button for 5 seconds, or the beeping will just plain stop, allowing me to do whatever it was that I was doing.

I haven't had a chance to look at the OEM manual that came with the 8790 due to my work schedule and the fact that I'm not living at home right now, so any insiht would be appreciated.
post #2 of 18
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Also, right now, I'm thinking it's the battery... so I'm going to let the battery drain slowly while the computer is online.

I wanna watch Windows representation of the battery dying to see if the battery is slowly starting to go bye bye.

I have a 9-cell battery at home that I've never used. Parents bought it as a Xmas present. Should I switch to it when I get a chance and see if it beeps or what?

EDIT: I let the battery quickly die... something's screwy with the battery I think. I was watching the Windows Power Meter at about the 40% mark, then the screen dimmed, and I got the comic book text telling me to plug in or die. The power meter reported that the battery had 6 percent left on the battery.

Still confused in MD, USA...
post #3 of 18
SOunds like a good cleaning is in order (blinking light sequence).
post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
SOunds like a good cleaning is in order (blinking light sequence).

You hit the nail on the head, it seems obviously this has happened before, if it just needs a good cleaning, then sounds like a plan to me.

I know to blow out the 3 fans on the bottom of the laptop, then wipe the screen since the dust seems to blow fram the fan area through the speaker holes onto the screen, and to remove the keyboard for dust cleaning. Is there any other places that I need to blow out? If you could link me to a photo walk-through, I'd appreciate it.

Also, would you recommend dropping in the 12-cell battery?
post #5 of 18
This might be a bit more detailed. Like lifting the metal plate under the keyboard and the heat pipe off the CPU - AS5 time. Then remove the dust "filter" - actualy a "Clog" of the ventulation system.


On the battery - if it works for you - go for it.
post #6 of 18
how long does your battery take to discharge after you unplug the AC current? I don't have a Sager but I likewise have 3 led's and the last one is for the battery. When the last light is amber it tells me that the battery is NOT charging. Just a thought, because I have had bad luck with this problem before on my Toshiba.
post #7 of 18
Have you tried running on AC w/o the battery out?
post #8 of 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Omaha
This might be a bit more detailed. Like lifting the metal plate under the keyboard and the heat pipe off the CPU - AS5 time. Then remove the dust "filter" - actualy a "Clog" of the ventulation system.
Hmmm, I'm a little nervous about taking a $2,200 piece of equipment apart. You mean remove the screws/metal plate underneath the keyboard?

And the CPU stuff I want no part of, personally that scares the hell out of me.

Where's the dust filter that you speak of?

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Originally Posted by FriedToast
Have you tried running on AC w/o the battery out?

No, I haven't. I didn't think that the machine would start up at all. I'll give it a whirl this week.
post #9 of 18
The dust "filter" I speak of is a HUGE collection of dust and lint that would appear to be a "filter" but really isn't. You will find them in front of the two different "heat pipe" intakes. Blowing air through the fans just doesn't touch or effect this "cluster".

You might want to take this to a local repair shop and ask them if they could "clean it" for you.
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Omaha
The dust "filter" I speak of is a HUGE collection of dust and lint that would appear to be a "filter" but really isn't. You will find them in front of the two different "heat pipe" intakes. Blowing air through the fans just doesn't touch or effect this "cluster".

You might want to take this to a local repair shop and ask them if they could "clean it" for you.

I have no problem unscrewing the panels on the bottom of the computer and blowing things out that way. Can you show me approximately where the heat pipe intakes are if I pop the panel and take a picture?

I'm not near a local repair shop, nor would I want them laying their hands on my machine that's still under warranty.
post #11 of 18
One is over the CPU and the other is attached to the metal plate below the keyboard. They are copper colored and real hard to miss. That's the heat pipes. The one entry oint that need to be cleaned is "north" of the CPU and the other one is located approximately under the Ins/Del/NumLk/Backspace/./Del keys on the keyboard.

I was unable to "blow anything out" until I removed the pate or the heat sink from the CPU.
post #12 of 18
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Paging Dr. Boogieman, Needed In the OR!

I finally had a chance to review my contract for warranty and pick up my larger, non-subwoofed battery for a half-hour worth of fun and family entertainment..

I took G's advice and cracked open the big-honkin' section of panel that hides the CPU, RAM, and other vital looking stuff.



As I continued, I saw the four spring-laced screws that G was talking about earlier, concerning the heatsink. I played with one of the screws, finding out how tight it was. With a small Phillips head screwdrivers and a pair of pliers, I unpopped the heatsink. Not much dust there. Enough to tweezer out.

What I found in the air flow area is NOT WORK SAFE FOR ANY I.T. EMPLOYEE!!!




Now.... I know I've been bad for about 2 years, but

I didn't have any compressed air on me, so I used my good ole' NES tools: my lips.

Replaced the heat maker and heat sink, screwed the screws in nicely, and said a prayer in FT's name that the 8790 would come back up.

and SUCCESS!!

After letting the 8790 run for about a minute, I saw the MobMeter say 45C at startup w/ no Turbo fans. Uh oh.. I fired up the turbo fans + the Antec cooler and my CPU temps have gotten past 35C, with about 5 tabs open in FireFox.

So, here's the pictures of what I think have been causing me "Roadrunner" syndrome, complete with a 10 cent dime for comparison.






And finally, the death of said vermin.


post #13 of 18
lol. that thread made me laugh
post #14 of 18
I see that you found the filter that I was referring to. There is probably another one attached to the heat pipe assembly that is attached to the plate underneath the keyboard. Before removing that plate, I would recommend that you get some "frag" tape. Also DO NOT disturb the very thick white "Heat Transfer Tape" located atop the GPU memory on the motherboard (It's about a quarter of inch thick and located under the OP{ keys - about).

Also, I hope that you didn't re-use the old thermal compound that provides for proper heat transfer between the CPU and the Heat Sink. AS5 worked best for me....
post #15 of 18
This thread gets a sticky!!...hopefully more users will see it and not be scared to attempt this "routine maitainence." Good work
post #16 of 18
Does anyone know where I can get a new Battery for my Sager 8790, it's the 12-Cell Type that's in it now. It's completely dead I think, won't charge at all and no Lights are on on the Notebook either.

I E-Mailed PC Torque about it but I guess their not into answering Questions that are to menial for them to respond to. I guess that's all one can expect from a Company that you've only bought 2 Notebooks from ... o_0 ... Any help at all in this matter would be appreciated since the Notebook's just been sitting there useless for over a week now ... Thanks
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post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by Steve@NBF View Post

Okay Thanks Steve, but now I have other issues with the Laptop. In my haste to clean the Laptop I got a little rambunctious with the Air Compressor and busted up 1 of the Internal Fan's (DFB501005H30T 5V 0.4A to be specific) ...

The only place I can seem to find any reference to that part # is some sites on E-Bay that Lead to some Over Sea's Company's. The problem is there's no spec's on the Fan's their selling, and I can't get a good look at the Fan either to tell if it would even fit. Unless I can get a replacement Fan there's no sense in getting another Battery because the Notebook would just overheat I figure and be useless anyway.

Anybody with a spare one out of a scrapped 8790 that would like to sell 1 to me please contact me @ pbtoyz@comcast.net or if you have any info on where to get that specific model fan here in the states feel free to contact me too ...
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