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Dual hard drive compatible?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I just saw this mentioned in another thread, and I've never heard of it, for laptops. I don't imagine it means you can fit two harddrives in your laptop, so what is it?

Thanks
post #2 of 22
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Originally Posted by cilphex
I just saw this mentioned in another thread, and I've never heard of it, for laptops. I don't imagine it means you can fit two harddrives in your laptop, so what is it?

Thanks
uh... it does mean you can fit two hard drives in your laptop.
post #3 of 22
Many of the larger heavier laptops allow for multiple hard drives. Some even allow for RAID. I wouldn't reccommend such a over weight beast, but there are those that like lugging 15lb monsters around.
post #4 of 22
The actual weight of a harddrive is not that big, so the difference in weight between the monsters that has this dual harddrive feature and the ones that hasn't must be somewhere else.
post #5 of 22
Yah, the both the SAGER 8790 and the SAGER 8890 can mount a total of 4 HDDs or the more normal arrangement of 2 HDDs, a media drive and an internal TV tuner. Or you can do 1 HDD, 2 media drives and the TV tuner or 2 HDDs and 3 media drives. Up to 2 of the drives can be RAIDed. The 5680 can mount two HDDs and one media drive or one HDD and two media drives or you can have a quick swap secondary battery.

Welcome to the 21st century. Actually, SAGER has been offering multiple HDD notebooks for a number of years.

And don't mind Bjorn, he's just got iron poor blood.
post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by MARQUISDARQUIS
And don't mind Bjorn, he's just got iron poor blood.
hahah.... No my blood is ok. I just prefer to do my weight lifting in a different manner.

I suppose I would be a bigger fan of Sager's if my desktop didn't run longer on it's UPS then those "kitchen sink included" "laptops" ran on their batteries.

I'm all into monster computers. I just remain unconvinced that semi-portable laptops is the best way to go.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by kilsbo
The actual weight of a harddrive is not that big, so the difference in weight between the monsters that has this dual harddrive feature and the ones that hasn't must be somewhere else.
You're right... the drive weighs a few ounces. The additional HD bay(s) aren't that heavy either... the thing is that every one of those adds bulk and weight. With more and more bulk the chassis needs to be reinforced, etc... it just all adds up in a spiriling pattern.

The folk that want dual HD, etc laptops have a very different idea from me on what the role of a laptop should be.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by Bjorn
I wouldn't reccommend such a over weight beast, but there are those that like lugging 15lb monsters around.
Some people just need all of the extreme power and features that those monsters offer, in a "mobile" package. Some people need everything in a nice small package so it will fit in thir desks etc. Not necessarily that they "like" having to carry the 15lb monsters.

Other of course like Marquis just get themselves a set of wheels and there is no lugging to be done.
post #9 of 22
Since my laptop with raw power (Mobility 9600 128mb, ordinary P4 etc) is only 3,3 kilos (around 6-7lbs) i still consider it a laptop being mobile not "mobile".

The monsters however, they maybe fit another HD and a 17" screen, but I don't consider that as "power". My laptop is as fast as those.
post #10 of 22
fyi: a Kilo is 2.2lbs. So 3.3kg = 7.26lbs
Also for those not used to european notation (ie: 3,3 v. 3.3).
in the US 1000 would be written as 1,000.00 while else where it is 1.000,00
post #11 of 22
Maybe you dont consider power being a TV Tunner, Dual Channel Ram, Multiple hard drives, RAID, 17 inch screen, ATI 9700 256mb, but im sure some people do. Some people probably have the mentality of the more the better.

Oh and no your notebook will not be as fast as a notebook with dual channel ram and same specs in some apps.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
So on these models, does that mean you can just pop off the hdd cover and just stick another hdd in, or are these all swapable bays of a sort? I know most laptops these days have swappable bays that you can stick another hdd in, instead of the cd/dvd drive, etc.. but I mean, are there computers with just the extra space inside for another hdd without using one of those swappable bays?
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Enderet
Maybe you dont consider power being a TV Tunner, Dual Channel Ram, Multiple hard drives, RAID, 17 inch screen, ATI 9700 256mb, but im sure some people do. Some people probably have the mentality of the more the better.

Oh and no your notebook will not be as fast as a notebook with dual channel ram and same specs in some apps.

No i definatly do not consider TV tuner, multiple hard drives and 17 inch screens as "raw power". I consider them features. I also consider my laptop be in the same power range as the 15 lbs monsters but it still weigh 7.28 lbs (1 kg is 2.21 lbs bjorn, not 2.20 ). Furthermore those 15 lbs babies costs the double compared to the one I bought.

Compare it with cars. I consider it affordable sports cars. Of course, theres the Lamborghini Diablo that I assume beats all affordable sportscars but at another price range (doubled price, atleast). Features in cars are things like GPS, airbags, HiFi, DVD-system and so on. The engine remains the same (there are options there aswell, look at them as P4 2.6-3.4). And oh, how redicilous wouldn't the Diablo look with all the design and nice features when it only had a standard 2.0 litre 150 horsepower engine installed?

Bottom line: Don't mix beauty, features or weight with raw power because raw power can come with a reasonable price and it doesn't have to be in the form of a big trailer.
post #14 of 22
A notebook with a 256mb 9700 and Dual Channel mem leaves your notebook behind. At least in my opinion.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Enderet
A notebook with a 256mb 9700 and Dual Channel mem leaves your notebook behind. At least in my opinion.
That wasn't available when I bought my laptop. I think an Volvo S70 '04 leaves the T-Ford behind aswell
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by cilphex
So on these models, does that mean you can just pop off the hdd cover and just stick another hdd in, or are these all swapable bays of a sort? I know most laptops these days have swappable bays that you can stick another hdd in, instead of the cd/dvd drive, etc.. but I mean, are there computers with just the extra space inside for another hdd without using one of those swappable bays?
Cilphex, being the owner of one of these amazing monsters, I will give you some useful info:
The 8890 has 4 drive bays. None of them would be considered "hot swappable". Only the 5680 has "swappable" disk bays.

In a normal configuration bay 0 (located under the battery compartment, houses the C: drive. It is connected to the main system bus via a hardware RAID controller.


Bay 1 normally houses an optical disk (DVD/CD). It can be changed for a hard disk and is located on the left side of the laptop just below the floppy drive.


Bay 2 is also located on the left side of the laptop and can house either a 2nd hard disk or a second optical disk. Bay 2 is also connected to the main system bus via the same hardware RAID controller as bay 0. These two disks can be configured to operate as either RAID 0 (striping) or RAID 1 (mirroring).


Bay 3 is located at the rear underside of the laptop and can house either a TV tuner or a 3rd disk drive. It cannot be configured for RAID. (Shown here with the TV tuner installed).


As to its weight - about 11 lbs. I carry it around the same as any other laptop and use it the same as any other laptop (on a desk, on my lap in the train etc). The only thing to be careful of is that you don't block the fans which draw air from under the laptop. I get about 1.5 hours of typical battery life.

The 8890 also has a detachable 6in1 card reader or MP3 player which slots into a slot on the right hand side of the laptop.


I got it for the 16" screen and raw grunt from RAID disks, memory, CPU and GPU. My applications include stock market analysis, video editing, gaming, programming, web admin and system admin with web surfing thrown in just for good measure .

The only thing it can't do relative to other laptops is run on batteries for longer than 1.5 hours.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by kilsbo
That wasn't available when I bought my laptop. I think an Volvo S70 '04 leaves the T-Ford behind aswell
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Originally Posted by kilsbo
The monsters however, they maybe fit another HD and a 17" screen, but I don't consider that as "power". My laptop is as fast as those.
So then your past claim above is invalid. Right now its the monsters that offer the Dual Channel Ram and the 9700 only...unfortunately

Imagine having those features on a nice slim notebook.

Oh and by the way... I might seem like a proponent of monsters but I am really not. I am more of an ultra portable guy... ... but thats a whole other story.

Oh and real nice pics Ausie.
post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 
Alright, so that's just your particular model, Aussie. I've got a Toshiba P25-S508, which is supposedly "dual hard drive compatible," but I don't think it is. I opened the hard drive compartment - it only houses one, and there doesn't seem to be any other space down there. The only way I can think of putting another hdd in there is by getting one as a bay drive replacement option - having to take out my dvd drive, or something. This isn't what I thought of when I heard "dual hard drive compatible." Keeping my dvd drive in tact, then, I guess my model can only fit one hdd.
post #19 of 22

Nononono

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Originally Posted by kilsbo
(1 kg is 2.21 lbs bjorn, not 2.20 ).
PREPOSTEROUS!
1 kg is equal to 2.20462 lbs! Stop proliferating bad approximations. -_-
post #20 of 22
Whilst knowing the correct mass has its uses, I find that dynamic measures such as momentum and energy are far more important when dealing with these monsters. As in what would be the transferrence of said energy into soft tissue if their head contacted the side of my 8890 whilst swinging it at a radial velocity of 2 Rad/sec?

Of course this has nothing at all to do with the terminal air speed of a swallow.

(English of course... for all you Monty Python fans out there who actually have any clue of what I am talking about )
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