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gsferrari's ***SAGER 8790** report - Page 4

post #61 of 184
3/13/04 at 8:14pm
Digital sound transmission doesn't necessarily perform better than analog sound cables. The best performing sound transmission methods are still analog. Balanced analog cables are used with the most professional equipment. (Although no one expects XLR ports on a laptop. That would be silly).

That said, even if the ProMedia accepts SPDIF input, you wouldn't want to use it except for watching DVDs. When games are decoded, the format isn't one that a preamplifier can decode. It will either have to be re-encoded to AC-3 (something most computers can't do, dunno about the 8890), or multichannel information will have to be dropped and the signal will be passed as stereo PCM. In short, most of the time you will want to run analog cables from any computer to a preamp. That is, until Firewire take off as a ubiquitous audio transmission method.
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post #62 of 184
3/13/04 at 8:15pm
I believe the Klipsch, like most multimedia speakers, have amplifiers built into the subwoofer. Multimedia speakers like the ProMedia are preamp/amp/speakers all built into one.
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post #63 of 184
3/13/04 at 8:21pm
Now I am worried and leaning back to the Z-680's.
I just did a bit of searching about analog connections on the 8890. It would seem that all is not that happy. Several posters appear to have had trouble with the 8890's analog output (I will start a new thread on this in the audio sub forum to get some feedback). Knowing that most laptop's are poorly shielded analog wise (although my old Toshiba 2710 works like a dream) I may be forced to go via SPDIF and get an external decoder (Klipsch DD5.1? Audigy?). Makes it a bit expensive but if the Klipsch Ultra's are that good relative to the Z-680's then it is money well spent.
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post #64 of 184
3/13/04 at 8:22pm
as far as speakers go - why not try bose ??? - LOL
i mean $1000 speakers go very well with a ~$2500 laptop - he he
just kidding - gs/aussie

j/ks apart - i heard their 5.1 channel surround and no-one comes close to it - why do they have to be so damn expensive

i have flat panel speakers myself, they sound pretty good - besides, my speakers need to look as hi-tech(a relative word) as my laptop

btw, won't pctorque offer a returning customer discount LOL - if we buy a 2nd lappy from them as well

i'm waiting for the 56xx series successor - after getting used to uxga i think i wont be able to downgrade - lol , and i dont really like the 16:9 wide style

oh, and for the ppl who follow cricket - india beat pakistan - YAY !!!!!!
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post #65 of 184
3/13/04 at 8:28pm
Thread Starter 
I know!! YAY!!!

I was a bit upset they let the match go on for so long though...it was far too close in the end

great cricket from both sides...Sehwag rules!!

Anyway - I dont think these speakers are expensive at $350.00 - why dont you pick one up from Best Buy and see for yourself...they are a LOT of hardware for the price
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post #66 of 184
3/13/04 at 8:32pm
Aussie, do you currently run SPDIF cables from your 8890 to whatever speakers you have? Do you also play games or anything else that involve multichannel sound?
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post #67 of 184
3/13/04 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by aussie
The only pic they don't have is on of the rear of the control console.
There is nothing on the back of the console...just the DIN cable going to the subwoofer.

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What I don't get is that if it uses the analog coming out of the laptop rather than SPDIF why is it so good? Or maybe it is more a function of the sound cards in the Sagers. What are you using to drive the Klipsh speakers?
SPDIF is an optical signal to be sent to a decoder. The analog output of the Realtek soundcard is pre-processed surround being sent directly to the miniplug outputs.

The klipsch can use these signals for providing the user with surround sound - if this feature is not available on your sound card then you cannot use the Klipsch for surround sound without an external sound card. Lucky for us - the 8790 and 8890 suppoer 6 channel analog audio.

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post #68 of 184
3/13/04 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by gsferrari
Anyway - I dont think these speakers are expensive at $350.00 - why dont you pick one up from Best Buy and see for yourself...they are a LOT of hardware for the price
i think kaif's catch won it for us - what an effort !!!!

I've seen, or rather heard the Klipsch, and they are really good, but for me a 2.1 is more than enough to listen to my mp3s, plus i like my stuff to be stylish as well - hence the flat panel - LOL - it matches my laptop

But i know if i ever decide to get a 5.1 - i'm getting a Bose - i hope someone up there is listening to me..........and provides sufficient funding - lol
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post #69 of 184
3/13/04 at 8:45pm
And Australia beat Sri Lanka (go Shane ).

I thought SPDIF was only coax and Toslink the optical version.
Either way I started a thread about issues to do with the 8890's analog output, so we don't totally threadjack yours gs.

Delta, as I still have my old Toshiba laptop with its excellent sound I don't as yet use the 8890's audio capabilities .

gsferrari, you didn't mention what you are using to drive the Klipsch.
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post #70 of 184
3/13/04 at 9:14pm
If I may, I will answer this one for gs: You don't exactly drive the Klipsch. It has its own amplifiers, and you can only feed it pre-amplified, line-level signals.
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post #71 of 184
3/13/04 at 9:22pm
Ok I should have explained myself a bit better Delta.
What I meant to ask gs is what sound card is he currently using to generate the 5.1 analog signal that is then sent to the Klipsch amp. Using the word drive was a poor choice .
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post #72 of 184
3/13/04 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by sid21177
i think kaif's catch won it for us - what an effort !!!!

I've seen, or rather heard the Klipsch, and they are really good, but for me a 2.1 is more than enough to listen to my mp3s, plus i like my stuff to be stylish as well - hence the flat panel - LOL - it matches my laptop

But i know if i ever decide to get a 5.1 - i'm getting a Bose - i hope someone up there is listening to me..........and provides sufficient funding - lol

I didnt watch the catch bathroom break

Please dont go and buy a bose. They are highly overpriced for the sound they produce...more hype than anything else. I have heard the $700.00 Bose 5.1 and I am listening now to my Klipsch Ultra 5.1 and it simply blows it away...Bose is not considered "audiophile" quality...noobs buy Bose Not bashing them...they sound nice but not as nice as other systems that cost a lot less...
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post #73 of 184
3/13/04 at 10:10pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by aussie
Ok I should have explained myself a bit better Delta.
What I meant to ask gs is what sound card is he currently using to generate the 5.1 analog signal that is then sent to the Klipsch amp. Using the word drive was a poor choice .

At the moment I am using an Audigy 2 NX borrowed from a friend...its nice...

I am trying to rig it up to my DVD player through SPDIF..have to go buy cables now

I am hoping the 8790 sound card will be sufficient or else I will have to add the Audigy 2 NX to my purchase list

Blasting "Roger Waters Live" - Welcome to the Machine through my SACD/MultiChannel source...no quality receiver and I am not able to get the multichannel outputs to work from this DVD player directly to the multichannel inputs on the klipsch.
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post #74 of 184
3/14/04 at 5:30pm
Since you are an audiophile, gs, see this thread and see how you feel.
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post #75 of 184
3/14/04 at 5:31pm
And how are you connecting your SACD player to your Klipschs? Is the SACD player also the DVD player that's not working with the Klipsch correctly?
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post #76 of 184
3/14/04 at 5:46pm
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Yes...It looks like I will need a receiver. I have emailed Klipsch asking for advice...also emailed Sony (like im gonna get a response from them ). Folks at headfi say that there shouldnt be a problem and that it should work directly out of the SVD/SACD player but so far its not working...

I''ll figure it out...must be my wires. I am using RCA -> Mini connectors to convert the RCA on the back of the DVP into MINI (inputs on the Klipsch) but its not helping...

However - the SONY DVP-NS500V SACD player has two A/V outputs on the back in addition to the 5.1 outputs and when I connect the front and rear using my RCA-MINI cables i get sound from 4 speakers...

I am going to try and use another DVD Player with 5.1 channel output on the rear. If it works there then this one is flawed and is going back to the seller

lessee...
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post #77 of 184
3/14/04 at 5:51pm
Probably some settings that needs to be changed. I can't imagine the analog outputs on a SACD player not working. They are the only ones that can be used with for multichannel sound from SACD...

I assume that the two sets of A/V outputs are just stereo outputs? If so, how do you get 4 speakers to work using them?
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post #78 of 184
3/14/04 at 5:58pm
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just connect front and rear channels to each pair so the front L/R and rear L/R speakers work Center channel will not work...

I am trying out another DVP now...will post if this is a success
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post #79 of 184
3/14/04 at 6:05pm
Something I found very weird...PC multimedia speakers consistently claim that the surround speakers are "rear" speakers and should be placed behind the listener, even when watching DVDs. While Dolby, DTS, and THX consistently claim that the surround channels are "side" channels and should be placed to the sides of the listener, be it monopole, bipole, or dipole. When Dolby moved on to Digital EX with 6.1 channels, Dolby says that the extra speakers are added to the rear. This became confusing to PC magazines. When Creative came up with its 7.1 systems they all thought that the extra two channels were the "side" channels, when in fact Creative pushed their original rear channels to the side (where they ought to be) and added a "rear center" channel. I have no clue what caused the original discrepancy.
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post #80 of 184
3/14/04 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by gsferrari
I just picked up the Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1's to replace the Logitech Z-680s that I sold a couple of months back. The Klipsch just plain KILLS the Logitech The Subwoofer is just a little smaller than my house!!!

If anyone wants pics - drop me an email and i'll mail you the pics with and without the 8790 in the circuit I'll post the pics anyway...
Before you, I was recommend to purchase these by a buddy of mine that owns a set. I was looking at the Z-680's to replace my Z-640 set-up. But Those Klipsch, the sound they produce it really incredible.

Well worth the price.
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