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Satellite P105-S9722 Vs. Alienware m9700

post #1 of 13
11/27/06 at 7:50pm
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Hey guys.

Just wanted an opinion. I bought the Satellite P105-S9722 from fry's and tested it out. Its great, $2000.00 comes with core 2 duo, 2ghz, 2 gig ram, 7900Gs (siingle 256).

But i still want to return it and buy the alienware M9700. It looks so much cooler i.e the wing things etc. is

does anyone know if the WOW effect is that much greater with the m9700. shiner etc. Ive never seen one in real life.

The AW is about $500 more than the thoshiba. but does have "SLI"

Thanks everyone.
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post #2 of 13
11/27/06 at 11:41pm
if you are going to sli get the m9700 for sure but you gonna want to put some extra cash to get that 2.4 turion.
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post #3 of 13
11/28/06 at 2:05am
What is your budget?
What are you going to be using it for?
When are you going to buy?

Most people in the tech circles find alienware's physical mods ("wings") really tacky, while on average people who don't know much about computers will be more positive about the design.

Also you're forgetting the alienware only has a single core processor while the toshiba has a dual core processor. Right now it's hard to say what's better, dual processors or video cards, as both systems play games at high settings.


If you're willing to drop $2500 on a system you might want to look into the sager/clevo notebooks. They make a laptop with a dual core processor coupled with the best single mobile video card solution out there (7950gtx).

Look for the 5760 @
www.powernotebooks.com
www.pctorque.com
www.discountlaptops.com
www.xoticpc.com
www.rjtech.com

look for the cx7 @
www.hypersonic-pc.com
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post #4 of 13
11/28/06 at 5:30am
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Thanks a lot for the replies. yeah it makes sense to get the 2.4 processor especially if its single core.

my budget is between 2000 - 25000. I am a graphic designer, so day in its mostly used for photoshop etc. But also gaming. I want to buy the laptop sometime in the next two months. (hopefully alienware has more good deals atfter christmas.) the free upgrade to sli looks good.
in regards to rickster, the sager 5760, they are a bit cheaper than alienware and looks like some good deals on some of the sites you listed.
the cx7 is a little more pricey.
When i tried the single 256 GS, on battlefield 2142 it looked awsome. I got a bit of stutter when turning but that may be because i was using the touchpad and not a mouse.
From what ive read about the single core processor, is that at 2.4ghz it is really fast and people wont notice the difference when multi tasking.
From the pics ive seen the wings dont look that tacky. but then again i havent seen one in real life. in pics the cyborg green looks down right sexy. lol.
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post #5 of 13
11/28/06 at 6:13am
It's true you probably won't notice a difference now about single core vs dual core processors, but within the next year there should be more multi threaded programs out there to take advantage of multiple cores.

also the 7950gtx is better than 2 7900gs in SLI
if you believe these benchmarks

I think the $400 deal for SLI is the best you're going to get from alienware. They had a promotion a month ago where every day for ten days they'd have some sort of deal. The most money you got off was $300 and that was a free upgrade from the 1.8 processor to the 2.4 processor in the m9700. So I don't think you're going to beat that SLI deal. They could offer free SLI and shipping though I doubt it since shipping is $100 right now. And their other laptops are either too expensive or too underpowered for their price. The m9700 is at a pretty decent price for a 17inch SLI notebook.

Also you don't what promotions Alienware is going to have after Christmas, they might offer that craptastic deal where you get a free backback and headphones a $150 value...
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post #6 of 13
11/28/06 at 3:27pm
get a precision m90 from the delloutlet then. make sure it has quadro 2500M
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post #7 of 13
11/28/06 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by aintz
get a precision m90 from the delloutlet then. make sure it has quadro 2500M
Yeah that's always a good choice. Sadly though this past week they haven't had any really good deals for under $2,000. And there aren't too many with C2D's. But i'm sure with the time window of 2 months kapra06 will find a nice deal on one.

kapra06, just make sure you're ready to purchase one the moment real a nice deal, because you can only keep an item in your cart for 15 minutes. After that, it goes back to the masses and you have to select it again to get it back into your cart. Hopefully nobody took it from you during that small window.
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post #8 of 13
11/28/06 at 6:05pm
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wow. had never seen the dell outlets before.; pretty cool. How is it buying refurbishued laptops.

Also how is the nvidia quadro 2500M. i did a quick search and didnt find many reivews. is it good for playing games. why would someone get the quadro over a go 7900 or 7950gtx or 7900gs sli?

on a side note i just saw the special for the m9700 is over. they are offering 300 for some mimo wireless. when i configure the m9700 its now 2933.00. (as a pose to 1433.00) hopefully it goes back down....
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post #9 of 13
11/28/06 at 6:48pm
Quadro cards are designed for 3D programs like CAD and wantnot. The 2500m is basically the 7900gtx and the 1500m is basically the 7900gs. They get around the same FPS in games, and supposedly the 2500m is 1-2 FPS slower, but it provides a better image quality.

Usually the quadro/open gl cards are quite expensive, as noticed if you configure a new m90. But the outlet has them for a really cheap price, and all business notebooks come with a 3 year warranty.

Just search around for "outlet" and you'll see there are some pretty positive things about it. Sometimes people buy scratch and dent systems, that don't even have scratches and dents on them! And if you are unsatisfied with your laptop you can return it within 21 days, if you have a good reason, you can get the restocking fee waved.

You'll probably have to wait another month before alienware gives you a good $300-$400 off deal.

So just spend your time checking the outlet looking for good m90/e1705/m1710 deals.
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post #10 of 13
11/28/06 at 7:31pm
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Hey thanks guys. Rickster your a great help. I love these forums, cuz there are so many great reviews and threads.
I am still a little sketchy about buying the quadro as i have not really read much about them. I will do more research as the 2500m looks like a great buy on the dell outlet site.

how future proof do you think the graphic cards like the 256 7800sli or 7900 and 7950gtx, 2500m are. they look powerful but these days new games and technology means higher requirements. especially with blue ray as it can hold a lot more information and so detail levels will be really high.

what kind of system do you guys have?
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post #11 of 13
11/28/06 at 8:54pm
quadro 2500m is similar in perofmrance as 7900gtx but it is optimized for cad. there are like no reviews for the 2500M and most newbs who never had a laptop with 2500m say they are slow (dont believe them)

nothing in laptop right now is futureproof since dx10 is around the corner. id much prefer 2500M over sli 7900gs because its much cheaper (outlet ofcourse). new games will run over these older gen card (quality games in 07 like crysis) but you would be able to play them at medium res and medium settings but without dx10 of course.


i have a laptop with 1.1ghz cpu. i had amdx2 at 3ghz, x1900xtx desk but i sold that to pay for tuition and i had alot of laptops with 7900gs x1600, 7900gtx and 2500m and intergated ofcourse. im currently waiting for r600 so i can get my friends 8800gtx and build a c2d rig.
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post #12 of 13
11/28/06 at 11:04pm
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Originally Posted by kapra06
how future proof do you think the graphic cards like the 256 7800sli or 7900 and 7950gtx, 2500m are
Well since they are the top of the line cards they should be more future proof than the lesser cards, obviously. They should last you 1-2 years before they start to show their age, since it will take a while for developers to make games that will only run on dx10 cards.

I believe the next set of notebook cards that are dx10 ready will be available around Q1 or Q2 next year. There are no hard set dates yet.

If you need your laptop now, buy it now, if you can wait, then wait.

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Originally Posted by aintz
quadro 2500m is similar in perofmrance as 7900gtx but it is optimized for cad. there are like no reviews for the 2500M and most newbs who never had a laptop with 2500m say they are slow (dont believe them).
haha so true
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post #13 of 13
12/6/06 at 10:23pm
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In regards to the processor, the alienware AMD Turion™ 64 Mobile ML44 2.4GHz 800MHz FSB 1MB L2 Cache. How will this processor stand up to vista. Will vista performance be more smoother becuase of the graphics card or processor. Im guessing the grpahics card. (and ram too).
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