I’m writing this for a friend and I’ll try to keep a very long story as short as possible. A couple of years ago or so my friend purchased a Dell Inspiron 1100 with a 4 year extended warranty. He has had countless problems with it, I know just after he received it the DVD drive and hard drive had to be replaced and it’s never run correctly. I was over at his house the other day and needed to use it to send an email; it took half an hour for Windows to fully boot and be useable. Thinking there must be some kind of bad virus or spyware on it I did a full scan with Norton AV and Windows One Care and I did full spyware scans with Windows Defender and Adaware and nothing was found. He told me he has spent countless hours on the phone pleading his case and basically not getting anywhere, on top of that he always seems to get customer service from India so often there is a bad connection or the accent of the customer rep is so heavy he could barely understand them. I called Dell while at his house and after over an hour of basically begging for some help I was told that Dell would pick up the computer expedited the next day by DHL (they would send a box) and my friend would be contacted the next day. So the next day Dell calls my friend and tells him the computer has been repaired, that the mother board has been replaced and he would have it back in one day. The next day he gets it back, replaces the hard drive (which he was told to remove before sending it) and his wireless network card but now the wireless network card will not go into the slot. On top of all this the computer still boots very slowly even after doing a clean reformat of Windows. He calls Dell again now very upset and demands that it be replaced, obviously this unit is a lemon with the countless times it’s had something wrong with it and it is still not functioning correctly. So the rep tells him they replaced the mother board with a different design than the original (?) and that’s why the network card won’t fit, before replacing the machine they want to send a tech to again replace the motherboard with one like the original design. The rep promises that if there is one more problem the machine will be replaced. The tech arrives a couple of days later, replaces the mother board again and still the network card will not slide into the slot. My friend calls Dell again gets a different rep on the phone who after about an hour of the usual troubleshooting and seeing the history of this machine tells him it will be replaced (Yay!). He tells my friend to hold on while he goes through some protocols that must be taken care of for the replacement. After more than 45 minutes of waiting the rep comes back on the phone and says to my friend “Sir we are going to replace your computer but first we want you to go out and purchase a new wireless network card and see if it will work”(!). Incredulous at this request my friend says, you told me you are going to replace the computer but now you’re asking me to go and buy a new card for this one, this makes absolutely no sense and you’re just stringing me along. The rep says you must first do this to get the computer replaced, that his managers manager insists on it. Being this whole conversation was from my friends car and he had to get off the phone he asked the rep to call him an hour later but he never called back and does not respond when my friend left a message on the reps voice mail. What more can he do? After literally countless hours on the phone what is the next step he should take. Would he be better off insisting on speaking to a domestic customer service rep, and are there any anyway? He is at his wirs end.
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Dell Nightmare, What can my friend do? (long)
post #2 of 20
12/2/06 at 1:09pm
Can you provide some specs?
* Processor model and speed
* Memory installed
If he has the base Celeron 2GHz with 256MB of memory, it's not gonna be a speed demon.
* Processor model and speed
* Memory installed
If he has the base Celeron 2GHz with 256MB of memory, it's not gonna be a speed demon.
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Can you provide some specs?
* Processor model and speed * Memory installed If he has the base Celeron 2GHz with 256MB of memory, it's not gonna be a speed demon. |
post #4 of 20
12/2/06 at 1:26pm
I think Dell replaces mainboards as a troubleshooting process. All the posts I've read in which Dell replaces the mainboard are way higher than expected fail rates. Is he running Windows 2000 or XP? With only 256MB of memory, and having to page swap to a 4200 RPM hard drive can take quite a while to boot. If it is booting and operating, then it's functioning properly.
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12/2/06 at 3:20pm
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No computer should take over 30 minutes to boot Windows XP. In fact, no computer should take over 3 minutes, or I would suspect something.
Were you speaking literally when you said 30 minutes, or was it an exaggeration?
Also it is has been proven that if you can get the contact number or e-mail of the highest possible support person (someone way up there, you know - manager's manager's manager's ...) and complain, you can usually get things done. Just go easy on the threats, they probably won't get you anywhere. Give the highest person you can a nice long e-mail with every single detail, hopefully including support peoples' numbers and reference numbers if you have them (if not, try to call support and see if they can give you any reference numbers, they can probably pull them up from your service tag) and that is usually enough to get high priority service. They don't want something huge like this to get out to the media (or, probably worse, Digg or Slashdot!), and they will usually do everything they can to assist you (and they can do a lot!
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Were you speaking literally when you said 30 minutes, or was it an exaggeration?
Also it is has been proven that if you can get the contact number or e-mail of the highest possible support person (someone way up there, you know - manager's manager's manager's ...) and complain, you can usually get things done. Just go easy on the threats, they probably won't get you anywhere. Give the highest person you can a nice long e-mail with every single detail, hopefully including support peoples' numbers and reference numbers if you have them (if not, try to call support and see if they can give you any reference numbers, they can probably pull them up from your service tag) and that is usually enough to get high priority service. They don't want something huge like this to get out to the media (or, probably worse, Digg or Slashdot!), and they will usually do everything they can to assist you (and they can do a lot!
).I'm not exagerating at all. Of course there is something wrong with it, I know of PC's that are a few years older than my friends computer that boot XP way faster than his. The thing that gets me on top of all of the run around are the outrageous things like they replaced the motherboard with a different design and he should go out and purchase another network card. So this machine has had 3 motherboard replacements, and a hard drive and DVD drive replaced.
post #7 of 20
12/2/06 at 4:09pm
Have you even tried adding more memory to see if that helps? Your friend bought a "bottom of the line" system with a low grade processor and hard drive, and minimal memory. A system can not perform any better than the sum of it's parts. Sorry to break that to you.
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12/3/06 at 5:30pm
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What do you mean the wireless card won't fit? Are you using a PCMCIA card or a Mini PCI card? If its a PCMCIA card that won't fit, check the slot to make sure some packing material or foreign object didn't somehow end up in it. Mini PCI shouldn't have this problem at all.
As far as the system running slow, have you even tried reinstalling Windows? That would have been the first thing I would try.
I think the real problem is you just expect Dell to know exactly what the problem with the system is without even touching the system or even going through basic troubleshooting. That ain't happening buddy, and the troubleshooting ain't free if you want somebody to do it for you. You take your car to a mechanic you bet your dollars that he's billing you for the labor in finding out what to replace, not just for labor to replace the defective part.
If you take your vehicle in to the dealer under warranty for a problem, and the auto techs can't figure out the problem you get billed for the time they spent troubleshooting for a problem that didn't occur. You can't have your cake and eat it too, I'm sorry. I charge my customers $50/hr to troubleshoot their systems and call Dell/HP/whoever for them. I'd rather be sitting at home playing BF2142 and sipping a guiness for $0 an hour than to be tearing somebody's computer apart figuring out the source of their BSODs. If the customers didn't want to pay, they'd do it over the phone with Dell. However, I usually don't milk it by dawdling either I have enough parts to troubleshoot nearly any system, by just using parts I know work fine.
As far as the system running slow, have you even tried reinstalling Windows? That would have been the first thing I would try.
I think the real problem is you just expect Dell to know exactly what the problem with the system is without even touching the system or even going through basic troubleshooting. That ain't happening buddy, and the troubleshooting ain't free if you want somebody to do it for you. You take your car to a mechanic you bet your dollars that he's billing you for the labor in finding out what to replace, not just for labor to replace the defective part.
If you take your vehicle in to the dealer under warranty for a problem, and the auto techs can't figure out the problem you get billed for the time they spent troubleshooting for a problem that didn't occur. You can't have your cake and eat it too, I'm sorry. I charge my customers $50/hr to troubleshoot their systems and call Dell/HP/whoever for them. I'd rather be sitting at home playing BF2142 and sipping a guiness for $0 an hour than to be tearing somebody's computer apart figuring out the source of their BSODs. If the customers didn't want to pay, they'd do it over the phone with Dell. However, I usually don't milk it by dawdling either I have enough parts to troubleshoot nearly any system, by just using parts I know work fine.
post #9 of 20
12/4/06 at 12:20am
when your computer gets to being usable, could you check one thing. i had a similar problem where it too my computer about 15-30 minutes to boot and be usable, and even then, it was not all that fast. i did the same thing with checking for viruses, spyware, rootkits and such, but found nothing after trying multiple programs (norton, avast, mcafee, etc). eventually i found the source of the problem (not sure how) before i had resorted to a reformat and reinstall.
yeah, so if you can check whether the hard drive switched to PIO mode from DMA mode, go into the device manager (right click on 'my computer', click properties, go to the hardware tab, and then click device manager). expand the IDE ATA/ATAPI controller and double click on the 'Primary IDE Channel'. go to the advanced settings tabe and check what transfer mode it's in, whether it's in some sort of DMA mode, or if it's in PIO mode. if it's PIO mode, there is most likely your problem. there's a way to fix it easily (it's a program that changes a registry setting and fixes it) if that's the problem, so just let me know if that is it.
edit: oops, yeah, forgot to mention, it should be device 0 that you shoudl be looking at that setting for (and it is most likely the only one that has a mode there anyway)
yeah, so if you can check whether the hard drive switched to PIO mode from DMA mode, go into the device manager (right click on 'my computer', click properties, go to the hardware tab, and then click device manager). expand the IDE ATA/ATAPI controller and double click on the 'Primary IDE Channel'. go to the advanced settings tabe and check what transfer mode it's in, whether it's in some sort of DMA mode, or if it's in PIO mode. if it's PIO mode, there is most likely your problem. there's a way to fix it easily (it's a program that changes a registry setting and fixes it) if that's the problem, so just let me know if that is it.
edit: oops, yeah, forgot to mention, it should be device 0 that you shoudl be looking at that setting for (and it is most likely the only one that has a mode there anyway)
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12/7/06 at 8:19pm
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Hearing all this out its obvious you have another dead harddrive first thing you need to do is get that harddrive fixed by getting it replaced. The 1100 isnt a great machine but its not bad either I had one for 2.5 years until someone wanted to take it off my hands (i'll miss the old girl). Drives go bad all the time and unfortunetly its usually the user to blame but thats what warranty is all about! Harddrives usually last 2-3 good years of use at home or 1-2 years with heavy traveling. Since you have a 1100 im gonna guess you had a 20/30/40gb drive which was usually packaged by toshiba and or hitachi. They can send you the drive so you can install yourself which is the quickest way. Never expect the rep to call you back since someone can happen thats beyond there control heck i had a rep get fired during the time i hung up and waiting for him to call me back.
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12/8/06 at 2:38pm
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When they told you to go buy a new wireless card did you try saying something along the lines of "Since the system is still under warranty and all this is due to a repair that you made, why don't you send me the proper replacement card?"?
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12/8/06 at 3:57pm
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Yeah Machina, it does sound like a bad hard drive, but there's alot of crud software that can slow down windows' boot process. Which is why I made the suggestion to try reinstalling the OS. (The OP never mentioned weather or not this had already been done). First step of troubleshooting is determine weather the problem lies with hardware or Software. Easiest way to eliminate hardware as the problem is to run Dell's 32 bit diagnostics from the Inspiron Resource CD, or the Laptop's Utility partition if it hasn't been deleted. It should cough up an error if there is a problem with the HDD.
I'm sorry I got a little short, I'm just tired of having to spend 3 hours at a customer's site because they didn't even want to find out the real source of the problem, so the tech support agent passes the buck to get the customer out of his hair. I'm not paid by the hour, so if I spent 3 hours with every customer, I may as well get a job bagging groceries.
I'm sorry I got a little short, I'm just tired of having to spend 3 hours at a customer's site because they didn't even want to find out the real source of the problem, so the tech support agent passes the buck to get the customer out of his hair. I'm not paid by the hour, so if I spent 3 hours with every customer, I may as well get a job bagging groceries.
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12/8/06 at 6:17pm
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Yeah I hear ya. Anyway 30min+ boot time is definetely Harddrive or OS related but having the drive replaced altogether kills 2 birds with 1 stone.
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The OP never mentioned weather or not this had already been done).
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"On top of all this the computer still boots very slowly even after doing a clean reformat of Windows."
Anyway since then Dell has agreed to send a new network card which my friend will receive today. They told him they "never" do this but they are making an exception. That does not fix the problem of it taking literally about half an hour until Windows XP is useable but he's so fed up with the run around and the countless hours on the phone. Oh yeah and there is a new issue, one of the usb ports isn't working. He's going to call again tonight, when he has a couple of hours to spare.
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Sorry about that rocketman, but your paragraph structure (or lack of it) does make your post a bit difficult to read. I understand your frustration since i've been there with motherboard manufacturers (and they are US based). In the past when outlining problems with DTS I've found their online chat to be a MUCH faster method of getting replacement parts sent out. You also don't have to repeat yourself four times to the rep it seems. Might want to give that a shot. But yeah, if even after a clean Windows install it does seem like the hard drive might be bad. Like I said to make things go faster, run Dell's 32 bit diagnostics from the Inspiron Resource CD. If you don't have one handy, and have Nero Burning ROM you can download an image file I've uploaded to my web server. It'll be done in about 30 minutes and will be located HERE (be sure to right click and choose save as). Burn it to a CD and then boot the Laptop from it. Should get you going.
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Make sure you get that harddrive replaced that seems to be the real issue here.
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12/11/06 at 6:26am
Here's a quickie tip..... run the Dell diagnostics and note down ANY error codes that u get. Call/Chat with the Dell tech rep and give them the error code.... in most cases like this .... it leads to a hardware part replacement.
For most Dell hardware problems, error codes bail u out quickest! Inside Dell, no one argues against error codes..... but everyone has a problem with "hunches". So try it out....... I have completed this kind of calls in under 10 mins more than a thousand times! Try the Chat channel, easiest to deal with. but chat with a parallel system and NOT on the same system (duh!)
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For most Dell hardware problems, error codes bail u out quickest! Inside Dell, no one argues against error codes..... but everyone has a problem with "hunches". So try it out....... I have completed this kind of calls in under 10 mins more than a thousand times! Try the Chat channel, easiest to deal with. but chat with a parallel system and NOT on the same system (duh!)
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Damn, rocket, after all of that I would be demanding a system replacement especially with the warranty you bought. But the problem is either in the hard drive or the MB.
Update:
The day before yesterday the laptop died. Finally Dell has agreed to replace it. I have no idea what they will replace it with, he is supposed to get the replacement in a week or two.
Does Dell replace computers with brand new or refurbished units?
The day before yesterday the laptop died. Finally Dell has agreed to replace it. I have no idea what they will replace it with, he is supposed to get the replacement in a week or two.
Does Dell replace computers with brand new or refurbished units?
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