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Raid 0 and gaming/designing...etc.?

post #1 of 42
3/15/04 at 1:05pm
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Just to clarify and reinforce, I definately should be Raid'ng my drives if I'm doing the following:

1. Gaming
2. Graphic Designing
3. Video Editing
4. Etc..
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post #2 of 42
3/15/04 at 1:21pm
RAID-0 improves data throughput.

1). For games it may matter for some; however, for most it won't matter much.
2). Graphic design - Yes if the graphics are large and often read/written.
3). Video Editing - Yes, This application normally moves Huge amounts of data. A second "scratch pad" drive may make the application work even better when combined with RADI-0.
4). Etc...... I generally recommend RAID-0; however, be sure that you have an external backup - "Just in case" something goes wrong. Using or not using RAID-0 can be viewed as a "Religious" discussion.

Gary
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post #3 of 42
3/15/04 at 1:47pm
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Let me understand this further...

Could I use my primary drive for installing all games/applications and using my secondary drive for storing save files / backups while having RAID 0 setup? Initially that's what I was going to do. I was just going to do RAID 0 for faster access.

However, correct me if I'm wrong.

It seems like, by doing RAID 0, I'm disabling the ability to use the secondary drive for "storage" because it's going to be scratched.
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post #4 of 42
3/15/04 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by nutsnbolts
Let me understand this further...

It seems like, by doing RAID 0, I'm disabling the ability to use the secondary drive for "storage" because it's going to be scratched.
This is correct; RAID 0 allows for data to be 'striped' on each drive, which allows simultaneous read/writes. The OS will see both disks as one physical disk. Keep in mind there is no fault tolerance in RAID 0 and therefore backing up any data that you can't afford to lose to an external drive is essential.
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post #5 of 42
3/15/04 at 2:16pm
Hey Adam, when you get UT2K4, get one machine with Raid 0, one without.
Then tell us how long it takes to load UT2K4.
Then tell us how long it takes to load a map.

Spawning into a map faster is nice, because then you can get all the power ups and vehicles before any one else.

For example, I'm on a P3 1Ghz and I'm the last to spawn into ONS-Torlan. When I do, everyone is out of the base, all vehicles are gone. I remember way back in the day, I was always first into the map for Q2, not any more, until I build a new machine.
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post #6 of 42
3/15/04 at 2:56pm
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In this case, anyone have any suggestions in portable backup? Small but yet not too expensive and yet more storage capability?

Thanks for the clarification! It helped out a lot!
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post #7 of 42
3/15/04 at 3:06pm
Well, as cheap as Dvd's are getting you could get you a Dvd burner and back up like that. That way you dont have to worry about carring around a hard drive. I cant remeber how much space is on a Dvd.. I think 4 gigs? I could be wrong.
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post #8 of 42
3/15/04 at 3:59pm
i plan on keeping my desktop going and using wireless to offload data onto those drives. wireless will be nice with the cable internet too
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post #9 of 42
3/15/04 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by oblivion77
i plan on keeping my desktop going and using wireless to offload data onto those drives. wireless will be nice with the cable internet too

In other words, you're recommending to do RAID 0.
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post #10 of 42
3/15/04 at 4:02pm
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Here is a question I forgot to ask. It seems like RAID 0 is amazing and that it should be done if possible. Is it really that big of a difference?

I mean it's like this....

You drive a car and you mod it little by little to increase it's HP. 5 HP here, 2 HP there, 3 HP here, etc..etc..

The point is that when you actually drive the car, you won't see any difference when you mod your car until you actually are done cummulatively added all the mods.

So...

RAID 0 I guess is like ALL MODS added together to give you tremendous speed difference that it should be done? RIGHT? Hehehe...

Sorry for all the questions, trying to learn as we go along this.
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post #11 of 42
3/15/04 at 4:02pm
This is the software I use to back up my desktop, it's the best because it backs up the registry. The newest version claims to back up to a DVD RW.
http://www.no-panic.com/backup/n_backup.html
There are a few drives not supported in the list.
Hey Tom or Adam, which brand is the DVD drive in the 8790?
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post #12 of 42
3/15/04 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by nutsnbolts
Let me understand this further...

Could I use my primary drive for installing all games/applications and using my secondary drive for storing save files / backups while having RAID 0 setup? Initially that's what I was going to do. I was just going to do RAID 0 for faster access.

However, correct me if I'm wrong.

It seems like, by doing RAID 0, I'm disabling the ability to use the secondary drive for "storage" because it's going to be scratched.
You need 2 drives to get any benefit from RAID-0. My original comment really was for a 8890 configuration that would allow you to have 3 HDDs. If you mean primary as the RAID-0 (two drives) and secondary as the third drive for the intent stated, then everything should be OK.

Again, RAID-0 with one drive is possible; however, will not result in any gains.

Just to clarify things..
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post #13 of 42
3/15/04 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by nutsnbolts
Here is a question I forgot to ask. It seems like RAID 0 is amazing and that it should be done if possible. Is it really that big of a difference?

I mean it's like this....

You drive a car and you mod it little by little to increase it's HP. 5 HP here, 2 HP there, 3 HP here, etc..etc..

The point is that when you actually drive the car, you won't see any difference when you mod your car until you actually are done cummulatively added all the mods.

So...

RAID 0 I guess is like ALL MODS added together to give you tremendous speed difference that it should be done? RIGHT? Hehehe...

Sorry for all the questions, trying to learn as we go along this.
For an example regard RAID-0 -vs- non Raid. Think of the dataport for the normal (non Raid) as a three inch water pipe and the RAID-0 as a five inch water pipe. Now how much more water can be pumped (for each of the two sizes)? That is really the diference in the two configurations.
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post #14 of 42
3/15/04 at 6:47pm
I didnt even think you could run Raid-0 off just one drive, but then again I've never tried it. Also didnt know your could put 3 hard drives in a 8890!! Thats amazing..

That is what I would do if you have some extra cash. Raid-0 2 of the drives and use the secondary as a back up. You would have yourself one awsome machine there..
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post #15 of 42
3/15/04 at 6:49pm
Aussie did the single RAID-0 configuration on his 8890 a while ago. He might still use that configuration. Third drive on the 8890 replaces the TV Tuner.
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post #16 of 42
3/15/04 at 6:51pm
Ahh.. I gotcha. That thing has pockets all over it.
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post #17 of 42
3/15/04 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by -)V(istic
I didnt even think you could run Raid-0 off just one drive, but then again I've never tried it. Also didnt know your could put 3 hard drives in a 8890!! Thats amazing..
Can someone clarify this now. I thought raid needed TWO drives because of "striping." Now I'm hearing you can raid each drive? If so, then why can't I raid primary drive and then raid secondary drive...2 drives still but 2 raided fast drives! Hehe...

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That is what I would do if you have some extra cash. Raid-0 2 of the drives and use the secondary as a back up. You would have yourself one awsome machine there..
I heard that you can get 3 drives in there but I don't want to have to remove my subwoofer/tv or battery just to keep switching it around for storage.
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post #18 of 42
3/15/04 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by nutsnbolts
Can someone clarify this now. I thought raid needed TWO drives because of "striping." Now I'm hearing you can raid each drive? If so, then why can't I raid primary drive and then raid secondary drive...2 drives still but 2 raided fast drives! Hehe...



I heard that you can get 3 drives in there but I don't want to have to remove my subwoofer/tv or battery just to keep switching it around for storage.
Nuts,

Doesn't work that way!!

Not each - just one (and only if you have one drive). I think that this was a technical "let's see if it works thing" and is not recommended because it does not provide any gain - IMHO.

Get an exteral for the backup and RAID-0 the two drives (assuming that the configuration has RAID-0) or you might consider RAID-1 (Mirrored Image).
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post #19 of 42
3/15/04 at 9:19pm
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Hehehe, I think I have come to the conclusion that I will go with RAID 0. Raid 1 I don't see any purpose in. Mirror images? I have been dealing with computers since the beginning of them and Never mirrored my drives and never had any problems. To do RAID 1 I think is something I would start but never really ever have any helpful things for me.

RAID 0 on the other hand allows faster access to files so I can see the benefit in that. Although, time after time stated, I wanted to have 2 60 gig drive space but apparently, it's space or speed that boils down to and cannot be accomplished by doing both.

In the new light of things, I have seen many people suggesting externally backing up files. I guess I must practice this as well.

Now where to go find a nice backup hardware...
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post #20 of 42
3/15/04 at 9:23pm
You can have the 120MB RAID-0 and then split them into 2 60GB logical volumes if that is what you want. Both of the partitions will be stipped across the two drives.
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