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post #21 of 64
2/27/07 at 11:04am
Big question, are the Blue-Ray disk's worth the extra money? (You said you hooked it up to a 55'')
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post #22 of 64
2/27/07 at 11:11am
dont think I'd enjoy downloading a blu-ray dump on a torrent, I don't even download dvd5's unless I have to
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post #23 of 64
2/27/07 at 1:01pm
Bluray is cool but it doesnt make sense to watch movies on this laptop (and the battery wont even last either).

Also why do you need 4GB ?
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post #24 of 64
2/27/07 at 5:27pm
I am going to wait on the drives, too. Vista doesn't support Blue Ray yet, and I wanted Vista. I ordered the M1710 this week, but stuck with the 2.16 processor and 2 gigs DDR2 as well; I upgraded on other items, like the hard drive, Bluetooth, etc.

The nice thing about the M1710 is that it will still be a great system in a year or two, and should be easily upgraded then. Heck, I may want an external Blue Ray then. Maybe the wireless model ...
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post #25 of 64
2/27/07 at 6:54pm
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It is cause of the HDCP, thats the only card with the protocol chip I believe

What about the Nvidea GTX 7900.
Would this card also have support for HDCP?

Thanks,
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post #26 of 64
2/28/07 at 3:37am
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Originally Posted by Tichondrius
Bluray is cool but it doesnt make sense to watch movies on this laptop (and the battery wont even last either).
Why? and how much battery life do you get on your 1710 with the BD drive or are you just talking out of your ?
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Also why do you need 4GB ?
Have you heard of that new thing called Vista... the 'Ultimate' memory hog?
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Vista doesn't support Blue Ray yet
I'm going to wear out the with these wonderful uninformed posts. I'm currently running Vista and my BD drive works. The trick is running BD software that works on Vista... Cyberlink PowerDVD 7 Ultra. What doesn't work is the Dell OEM PowerDVD. One more just for fun...
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post #27 of 64
2/28/07 at 7:10am
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Why? and how much battery life do you get on your 1710 with the BD drive or are you just talking out of your ? Have you heard of that new thing called Vista... the 'Ultimate' memory hog? I'm going to wear out the with these wonderful uninformed posts. I'm currently running Vista and my BD drive works. The trick is running BD software that works on Vista... Cyberlink PowerDVD 7 Ultra. What doesn't work is the Dell OEM PowerDVD. One more just for fun...
I have the E1705 and my battery lasts 1.5 hours. So no I dont think youll be able to watch bluray movies on it, and I really dont think it will be very useful. Same goes for the 4GB. Vista works fine even with 1GB. I have 2GB with vista. Yes 4GB lets you keep more windows open but even with 2GB I find that I can start a game and keep a broswer and a few apps open without any problem.
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post #28 of 64
2/28/07 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by Tichondrius
Bluray is cool but it doesnt make sense to watch movies on this laptop (and the battery wont even last either).

It does make sense. I just want to watch good, high quality movies, and it just so happens that my laptop is way better in terms of picture quality than my standard TV. So any time I can watch HD stuff on my laptop (TV shows, Movies, ect) I do.
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post #29 of 64
2/28/07 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Tichondrius
I have the E1705 and my battery lasts 1.5 hours. So no I dont think youll be able to watch bluray movies on it, and I really dont think it will be very useful.
Oh... so what you meant to say is it does not make sense with your hardware and how you use it. Did you ever hear of second batteries? You know what else is amazing, you can actually plug a laptop into the wall and watch movies too
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post #30 of 64
2/28/07 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO
Oh... so what you meant to say is it does not make sense with your hardware and how you use it. Did you ever hear of second batteries? You know what else is amazing, you can actually plug a laptop into the wall and watch movies too
Why would anyone watch HD movies on a 17" laptop screen ? If I'm at home I'm going to watch movies on my 56" 1080p HDTV with full surround sound. On the road you can watch DVD on a laptop, but this one is hardly a traveler's notebook.
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post #31 of 64
2/28/07 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by BDS28
Why does Blu Ray not stand a chance?

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- Has any Sony format won the test of time?
- Blu-Ray physical format is bad for data. Too easy to destroy. (Don't believe the "better coating" thing as they aren't even using it yet. Too expensive.)
- Movie wise, HD-DVD movies are getting better reviews.
- HD movie length: Blu-Ray = 9 hours HD-DVD = 8 hours. So where's the big space difference?
- Microsoft doesn't support Blu-Ray. What was Dell thinking???
- Too expensive. No DVD backwards compatibility requirement. = higher costs.
- Toshiba and Sony in talks to combine efforts, which may mean both standards will dissappear.. Ut Oh!

Blu-Ray is just bad. Why would any one trust their data to a format that physically places the data 80% closer to the surface of the discs making more easily damaged? (damaged by heat, light, scratches, you name it...) That really gets me confused. All optical media has a life, relatively short life too (as short as only 10 years for some formats.) And, now they risk that even more by physically changing the disc for the worse. Gads.
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post #32 of 64
2/28/07 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by Tichondrius
Why would anyone watch HD movies on a 17" laptop screen ? If I'm at home I'm going to watch movies on my 56" 1080p HDTV with full surround sound. On the road you can watch DVD on a laptop, but this one is hardly a traveler's notebook.
When I'm home I watch HD on my 55" Plasma but when traveling the TSA frowns upon carrying on 55" TV's. I would prefer not carrying it to my office either. Some people like myself actually use large external monitors, have 5.1 surround and like watching high quality movies. Also... many people, including myself, travel with these notebooks so I would NOT say 'it is hardly a travelers notebook'. It travels perfectly fine.
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post #33 of 64
2/28/07 at 5:45pm
Forget that the M1710 will last two years and then be upgradeable. Dell will just release a new XPS notebook with the new 800MHz FSB. They do this to earn money, for example my XPS M170 isn't upgradable and the M1710 won't be upgradable either. Just hit the sour apple and realize that Dell want's to earn money thus by forcing people to buy a new laptop. Now with the upcoming DX10 cards and Santa Rosa, no way the M1710 will be upgradable to that.
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post #34 of 64
2/28/07 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by Narg
Reason list: - Has any Sony format won the test of time? - Blu-Ray physical format is bad for data. Too easy to destroy. (Don't believe the "better coating" thing as they aren't even using it yet. Too expensive.) - Movie wise, HD-DVD movies are getting better reviews. - HD movie length: Blu-Ray = 9 hours HD-DVD = 8 hours. So where's the big space difference? - Microsoft doesn't support Blu-Ray. What was Dell thinking??? - Too expensive. No DVD backwards compatibility requirement. = higher costs. - Toshiba and Sony in talks to combine efforts, which may mean both standards will dissappear.. Ut Oh! Blu-Ray is just bad. Why would any one trust their data to a format that physically places the data 80% closer to the surface of the discs making more easily damaged? (damaged by heat, light, scratches, you name it...) That really gets me confused. All optical media has a life, relatively short life too (as short as only 10 years for some formats.) And, now they risk that even more by physically changing the disc for the worse. Gads.
Don't forget the porn industry changing it's mind and moving towards HD-DVD vs. BD. I have both HD-DVD and BD. I think HD-DVD will win the war
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post #35 of 64
3/1/07 at 1:51am
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Originally Posted by Narg
Reason list: - Has any Sony format won the test of time? This is your first reason, and even if they didnt win a format war, that would not be relevant now - Blu-Ray physical format is bad for data. Too easy to destroy. (Don't believe the "better coating" thing as they aren't even using it yet. Too expensive.) I really doubt your misinformation. A more real fact is BD has more capacity. That's a fact - Movie wise, HD-DVD movies are getting better reviews. Maybe initially when HD had more movies released and was first on the market. But not any more, cause bpth formats are digital use the same codecs. So they have identical potential (not counting the capacity advantage of BD). - HD movie length: Blu-Ray = 9 hours HD-DVD = 8 hours. So where's the big space difference? No, it's 25GB vs 15GB (single layer discs), or 66% more capacity. Fact - Microsoft doesn't support Blu-Ray. What was Dell thinking??? Microsoft is a software company, not a multimedia content comapny. And it's also not an electronics manufacturer. So it's mostly out of the loop in this war. They only got involved with the HD player for XBOX360. As far as corporate support, there is a large majority for movie studio and eletronics manufacturers supporting BD. - Too expensive. No DVD backwards compatibility requirement. = higher costs. Neither format is compatible with DVD. But most BD and HD players can still play DVDs. - Toshiba and Sony in talks to combine efforts, which may mean both standards will dissappear.. Ut Oh! Marketplace news for you: In Jan 2007, BD outsold HD 2 to 1. As of Feb 2007 there are more BD titles available. All major studios execpt universal support BD. Many new realeases are published on BD at the same time as on DVD. Blu-Ray is just bad. Why would any one trust their data to a format that physically places the data 80% closer to the surface of the discs making more easily damaged? (damaged by heat, light, scratches, you name it...) That really gets me confused. All optical media has a life, relatively short life too (as short as only 10 years for some formats.) And, now they risk that even more by physically changing the disc for the worse. Gads.
Bluray is winning. Some say it already won.
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post #36 of 64
3/1/07 at 2:08am
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Originally Posted by Tichondrius
Bluray is winning. Some say it already won.
Where are all your facts to support that statement? Links Please...
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post #37 of 64
3/1/07 at 7:13am
Blu-ray DVDs have been slightly out selling HD-DVDs: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6257

Not a significant lead, but still a lead probably due to the PS3. I would venture a guess that a huge majority viewers of blu-ray have it because of their ps3, or of hd-dvd with the drive add-on for the 360. The stand-alone players are just too much right now. I don't think there will be a clear winner anytime soon.
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post #38 of 64
3/1/07 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Narg
Reason list:

- Has any Sony format won the test of time?
- Blu-Ray physical format is bad for data. Too easy to destroy. (Don't believe the "better coating" thing as they aren't even using it yet. Too expensive.)
- Movie wise, HD-DVD movies are getting better reviews.
- HD movie length: Blu-Ray = 9 hours HD-DVD = 8 hours. So where's the big space difference?
- Microsoft doesn't support Blu-Ray. What was Dell thinking???
- Too expensive. No DVD backwards compatibility requirement. = higher costs.
- Toshiba and Sony in talks to combine efforts, which may mean both standards will dissappear.. Ut Oh!

Blu-Ray is just bad. Why would any one trust their data to a format that physically places the data 80% closer to the surface of the discs making more easily damaged? (damaged by heat, light, scratches, you name it...) That really gets me confused. All optical media has a life, relatively short life too (as short as only 10 years for some formats.) And, now they risk that even more by physically changing the disc for the worse. Gads.

No offense, but those are the most idiotic made-up reasons I've ever read. You're just plain factually wrong in every respect.
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post #39 of 64
3/1/07 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by Narg
- Has any Sony format won the test of time?
Does anyone remember the Compact disc?


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- Blu-Ray physical format is bad for data. Too easy to destroy. (Don't believe the "better coating" thing as they aren't even using it yet. Too expensive.)
False, it is a better format with higher capacity and most if not all of the media on the market is using a very durable coating.


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- Movie wise, HD-DVD movies are getting better reviews.
This hasn't been the case in months, Blu-ray is getting very high marks, some discs to note are Kingdom of Heaven and Black Hawk Down.


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- HD movie length: Blu-Ray = 9 hours HD-DVD = 8 hours. So where's the big space difference?
Again, not true. The capacity is 15/30 HD DVD vs 25/50gb BD giving Blu-ray a nice advantage. If you must use time then you have to compare apples to apples so it looks like this: HD content using AVC at 13Mbits/s is 5.1 hours on DL HD DVD vs 8.5hours on DL BD again a pretty nice advantage in favor of BD.


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Originally Posted by Narg
- Microsoft doesn't support Blu-Ray. What was Dell thinking???
Who cares? BD still works great on both XP and Vista.


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Originally Posted by Narg
- Too expensive. No DVD backwards compatibility requirement. = higher costs.
Costs are coming down quickly and analysts inside the market indicate price parity will likely be reached in less than 12 months. Backward compatibility may not be required but there isn't a BD burner or player that doesn't support SD DVD.


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Originally Posted by Narg
- Toshiba and Sony in talks to combine efforts, which may mean both standards will dissappear.. Ut Oh!
Those talks eneded before BD was launched last year.


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Originally Posted by Narg
Blu-Ray is just bad. Why would any one trust their data to a format that physically places the data 80% closer to the surface of the discs making more easily damaged? (damaged by heat, light, scratches, you name it...) That really gets me confused. All optical media has a life, relatively short life too (as short as only 10 years for some formats.) And, now they risk that even more by physically changing the disc for the worse. Gads.
As stated above this isn't true, the coating used on every BD disc I have seen will provide us some of the best durability we have seen on optical media.
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post #40 of 64
3/1/07 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by Tichondrius
Bluray is winning. Some say it already won.
Amen! Blu-ray will win the war. Somebody mentioned that HD-DVD was getting better reviews...I guess I missed that. Many BD's released by the studios that support both HD-DVD and BD, like Warner, are made to fit on the 30GB HD-DVD and the same video is used on the 50GB BD. These videos look exactly the same. To truly see the difference that the extra size of the BD can make, buy a BD released by one of the blu-ray only studios, like Disney. They use the entire 50GB of space and the transfer rate of the video is much higher, making the picture much more dynamic. I have 25 BD movies, and that number is increasing every day. I can definitely see a difference in the PQ between the movies that are released on both formats and the ones that are only released on BD. Just my $.02.
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