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post #181 of 228
Ditto, bubbleman.
post #182 of 228
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Originally Posted by bubbleman
"Additionally, the way that the 8790 machine is constructed, the "heat issues" with the 4780 simply "go away".


GO, That was your quote on a thread today describing the advantages of a 8790 over a 4780, yet yesterday you stated on this thread you were returning (not RMAing) your 8790 for, among other things, overheating problems. ??? Seems a little contrary.
Not really - I think that I just got a bad one and returned it so that I could update the configuration a bit. I did not want to wait forever trying to service it if it was a true lemon. Have done that with cars before and I should have just got a new one rather than spend all the time and money trying to make the one I had right.
post #183 of 228
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
Dr*Suess - Good Luck. Hope your company is progressive enough to agree to the purchase. It's really fast and sweet.



Well, I ordered my 8790 this last Monday. I guess I put up a good enough excu..ur arguement on why I needed such a high performance gam..ur um.. "workstation".
post #184 of 228
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
Not really - I think that I just got a bad one and returned it so that I could update the configuration a bit. I did not want to wait forever trying to service it if it was a true lemon. Have done that with cars before and I should have just got a new one rather than spend all the time and money trying to make the one I had right.
G-O, Since the 9700 card produces more heat than the 9600, the 3.4 northwood produces more heat than 2.8-3.2 processors, and even though the hard drives are identical to those available on the 4780, there are twice as many producing double the heat. The case is a little thicker but nearly identical. The fans are the same in quantity and size. Greater power consumption creates even more heat. Where is the engineering that gives the 8790 such a great heat dissapation advantage over the 4780? I don't see what you mean. Motherboards themselves don,t generate a lot of heat. My 4780 is a little warm on the left, but not uncomfortable. Certanly not enough to return it.

My experiments with liquid nitrogen have been a failure. Gets the temp down but keeps overflowing into my lap. God, how it burns..
post #185 of 228
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It's an opinion based on other opinions regarding the 4780. The 8790 design rearranged the "innards" and also allowed for more air-flow.

Again - it's a perception of reality (like your "burn" -v- "freeze" observation).

Now - If I actually had both units, I could do a more accurate comparison. Oh, I forgot, they must be exactly the same in configuration - including the heast sinks and associated "heat transfer stuff".

Enjoy your 4780, defend it to the "hilt", and when you are ready - trade it in for a 8790.

Gary
post #186 of 228
G-O, I can't "defend" 6 mo. old technology (4780) against the performance of a 8790. I am just trying to find out if Sager has actually produced a high end unit that runs cool. It would be a first. Just wondering what they did to control heat (except on your defective unit). Please use laymans terms, as I am not a innards injunear.
post #187 of 228
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Unit has been delivered to Sager

I hope that I get my credit next week. I really want to order another on. This time it will be the 3.2Ghz unit. That should reduce any heat issues and still allow me to run it "full blown" as I intend. I will post an evaluation after this has been accomplished. I will try, this time to post fewer items with more substance contained within each of them.
post #188 of 228
G-Omaha, if you don't mind my suggestions, but maybe getting a 12 cell battery instead of the tv tuner/subwoofer, the 60 gb 7200 rpm drive(s), and the dvd/cdrw instead of the dvd writer.

I find the 3.4 northwood in mine doesn't overheat at all, but the 3.2 might have a lower heat profile.
post #189 of 228
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SEMC,

Thanks for the feedback.

I look at the battery as an UPS. I really don't plan to use it that much. If I do, in normal operations, it will be for normal "office type" and Internet functions that are "low drain".

I need the TV Tuner and the DVD Writer (just don't need the + feature) as I accomplish a lot of conversions from VCR's and Photo Albumns(with transition "effects" and background sounds) to DVD's. I consume hundreds of DVDs on a monthly basis. Most people don't like the SVD or VCD's if they have to pay for them (compatability concerns).

I am seriously considering the dual 60Gb 7,200 RPM drives. I'll have less storage than I used to; however, it will be about 25% faster. I may need to attach an external drive if I want to keep a project ISO for a sustained amount of time and am hard pressed for space.

The jury is "still out" on a 3.2 or 3.4 processor. I'll have to recheck the Intel specifications; however, from what I remember, the 3.2 generates about 82 Watts and the 3.4 near 89 Watts. The "danger" points were 69C for the 3.4 and 71C for the 3.2. Maybe, I got that "screwed up". I was figuring that less power consumptions and higher "melting point" might offset any heat problems which the machine is "maxed out" for an hour or so while it is rendering DVD's and I am accomplishing normal "office" and Internet tasks.

Again, thanks for the input.
post #190 of 228
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Originally Posted by G-Omaha
I hope that I get my credit next week. I really want to order another on. This time it will be the 3.2Ghz unit. That should reduce any heat issues and still allow me to run it "full blown" as I intend. I will post an evaluation after this has been accomplished. I will try, this time to post fewer items with more substance contained within each of them.
Any particular reason you might be waiting for the credit on the defective machine prior to ordering the new replacement?

Just curious.
post #191 of 228
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Float. Don't what to consume two "open to buy" penalities on the Credit Card. When I order, the autorization will reduce available credit for about 6 days or until the purchase is actually shipped. In the mean time, it could be another week+ before the credit is posted to the account and "opens" that available credit amount. Have the available credit; however, if an emergency comes up (death in the family and have to travel to other cities or Germany), I want to have the funds available - you never know.
post #192 of 228
Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Omaha
I need the TV Tuner and the DVD Writer (just don't need the + feature) as I accomplish a lot of conversions from VCR's and Photo Albumns(with transition "effects" and background sounds) to DVD's. I consume hundreds of DVDs on a monthly basis. Most people don't like the SVD or VCD's if they have to pay for them (compatability concerns).

I am seriously considering the dual 60Gb 7,200 RPM drives. I'll have less storage than I used to; however, it will be about 25% faster. I may need to attach an external drive if I want to keep a project ISO for a sustained amount of time and am hard pressed for space.
Again out of curiousity, perhaps external solutions would prove more suitable? Both for the storage and the media writing capability. As one can make use of desktop components, these solutions are a bit more cost effective, and easier to maintain.

Or is mobility a necessity for the tasks mentioned above?
post #193 of 228
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I carry the configuration to several rooms and the patios of my house. Then there are instances, that I do presentations at the "client home". I have a 160Gb, 7,200 external HDD with powered 1394/USB connectivity and cooling fans so the external storage is no problem. I normally do use my desktop with the Sony DRU500 DVD+- Writer for "Heavy Duty" work; however, if it is for two or three copies at a client site and the dollars are right - I'll use the laptop (don't have that capability now and have lost a few "need it right now" clients that will pay a great deal for the stuff "hot off the press").
post #194 of 228
Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Omaha
I hope that I get my credit next week. I really want to order another on. This time it will be the 3.2Ghz unit. That should reduce any heat issues and still allow me to run it "full blown" as I intend. I will post an evaluation after this has been accomplished. I will try, this time to post fewer items with more substance contained within each of them.

Hi G,

Granted I have had my 8790 for only a week, but I think that your problems with the 8790 might be clouding the issue here. My 8790 is a 3.4 and while the fans do come on, I have never had them go into overdrive, so to speak. I've also not had the heat problems you are describing.

Now that you have mentioned it though I think I may run a few batch jobs in photoshop against a couple of hundred of my photos to see if that has any impact.

The 3.2 _might_ help with the battery issue, but I seriously doubt it. Of course the weird thing is the only time I was on battery power was during a _burn in_ test, which should at least do a marginally decent job of a full load, and my battery had no problems.

I wonder if their are some battery lemons out there as well?
post #195 of 228
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Re the 3.2 -v- 3.4: I am coming to the same conclusions; however, am not "there yet" totally. The machine is supposed to be designed for a Prescott and the 3.2E uses about 14Watts more than the 3.4C and runs a whole lot hotter.

Re the battery: I think that I will be setting the battery "Defensive Shut Down/Snooze" to something like 75/65%, should I be accomplishing "high drain activities" to prevent a burnout and just use it as an UPS. Then If I'm in office mode and intend to be on batteries, I can reset this to the 15/5% settings.
post #196 of 228
I've got the 3.4 and the only fan that is annoying is the power brick fan, actually. And I only notice that because it's right next to me (my 8790's at the head o' my bed and my bed's on the floor~ welcome to Japan ). If I were at my desk (which I seem to never use), I don't know that I'd have any problems w/ fan noise (other than the random spin up/spin down on occasion). Whenever I play KOTOR, it seems to run hot, but nothing drastic. At least not drastic enough for me to notice.

As for the battery, I haven't used it much, but what little I have, I'm not impressed. I basically consider it a UPS, too. The other day I powered the unit up for about 5 min and it sucked 10% of the battery in that time and I've got a 12-cell. I didn't run any heavy applications or anything, either. Just turned on the camera once. *shrugs*
post #197 of 228
With ClockGen I am able to overclock my 3.2 on my 8790 to 3.4 no problem, fans run more is all, but I just have two shortcuts setup on my desktop, one for 3.2 and one for 3.4... I havnt dared take it higher, that is until today.. when I found out Henriks MaxFan util works on the 8790... I ran 3.5 today and did some benchmarking. (With the fans on MAX of course)
post #198 of 228
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Originally Posted by Spin
With ClockGen I am able to overclock my 3.2 on my 8790 to 3.4 no problem, fans run more is all, but I just have two shortcuts setup on my desktop, one for 3.2 and one for 3.4... I havnt dared take it higher, that is until today.. when I found out Henriks MaxFan util works on the 8790... I ran 3.5 today and did some benchmarking. (With the fans on MAX of course)

Hello Spin,
Which Clockgen did you downloa, ie which motherboard did you choose?
Send link please
Thanks
post #199 of 228
Spin: What mobo ver of clockgen did you dl?
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