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post #21 of 33
1/27/07 at 12:28pm
Congrats on you Mega Scores and thanks for all the info here and in TaBaTaN's thread. I envy that "G" attached to you CPU name. Mine originally had a "2500" attached to the T.

Are you using any CPU undervolt control such as RMClock or NHC? (Mebbe not, as I think of it, since you are OC'ing your CPU.) I was using RMClock prior to the multi-core patch as I had found older NHCs too performance intensive. I have now switched to NHC and find it runs much better.

I'm going to try the 84.69 drivers as I've used 91.45s and 92.77s and found them to be sensitive. Since it's easy to OC the nVidia now, the more stable drivers, as you note, can still produce phenomenal results.
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post #22 of 33
1/27/07 at 3:56pm
Another thing I noticed while running 84.69 drivers is they run "cooler" overall. I think KraxKill pointed this out earlier, but I didn't realize the huge difference until I tried the 84.69's again this time. A cooler running system definitely helps the "hiccups" when playing games that crank up your laptop temps. I have a single pipe 7900 GS so I get both lower GPU AND CPU temps. Awesome!!!!

The only thing missing from the 84.69 drivers is Nvidia PureVideo support in the newer 9X.XX drivers. I noticed there is no extra control panel settings for enhanced video correction, but that's a small price to pay for cooler running laptop and faster gaming.
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post #23 of 33
1/27/07 at 4:48pm
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@timebomb, everytime I see your GPU OCing settings, I can't help but confirm the theory that the 7950 is just a higher clocked 7900GS/GTX. You have your core at 640, I haven't been able to get it to run stable at that clock but was able to push the mem to 850 so maybe. Is you GPU voltage increased/unervolted? With the extra room I have as far as temps are concerned in games would upping the stock voltage a few tenths of a volt help? Actualy now that I think about it I don't think it's possible as NiBitTor only let's me set it at 1.32, stock voltage and no higher.


@MrMsyvc, No I don't run RM clock at all, and both CPU and GPU are running at stock voltages. I found that RM clock was casuing issues with at least 1 user where his CPU would be constantly throttling up and down. I couldn't figure out why, and he uninstalled RM Clock, and everything worked just fine. I just didn't wan't to run into that issue and both were running just fine at stock voltages for me so why mess with a good thing. The RM clock issue, is probobly something to do with RM clock fighting with the dell bios when the 7600G is installed and OCed through the bios, i'm running BIOS version A04. Right now, as i'm typing this the CPU is at 52C, the GPU at 48C, mem 43C, HDD is at 33C

When gaming, the GPU and CPU both stay under 80, CPU around 70 and GPU around 75-76C.

I don't find that power management is realy an issue, becasue I'm mobile only 20% of the time and it's work related, so I don't realy care about speed, power or gaming during those times and even then when I am mobile, I usualy find an outlet.

I don't ever have it throttle down the CPU it's always running at 3.17 (always on setting in power management) as I have no serious need for power saving. If I do go mobile/ cafe/ airport stuff like that, I turn the thing down, and usually turn OFF SpeedStep and force it to the lowest step to extend the battery life. I see no sence in oppening up explorer/word/e-mail at 3.1Ghz and 2 cores, that's just over kill IMO, infact he minimum 1Ghz that the CPU runs at is plenty for my mobile needs.

One issue, i have is after the system enters standy, is that when re awaken, it speedsteps into mobile mode permanantly as in cuts the multiplier to run the CPU at 1Ghz, I haven't found a way around it except reebooting. Not realy a big deal as the thing takes seconds to boot up so i'm not worried. If anyone knows a way around this little hick up, let me know.
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post #24 of 33
1/27/07 at 5:44pm
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Originally Posted by KraxKill
I don't ever have it throttle down the CPU it's always running at 3.17 (always on setting in power management) as I have no serious need for power saving. If I do go mobile/ cafe/ airport stuff like that, I turn the thing down, and usually turn OFF SpeedStep and force it to the lowest step to extend the battery life. I see no sence in oppening up explorer/word/e-mail at 3.1Ghz and 2 cores, that's just over kill IMO, infact he minimum 1Ghz that the CPU runs at is plenty for my mobile needs.
Do you turn off SpeedStep in the BIOS or use a utility?
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post #25 of 33
1/27/07 at 6:18pm
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No I just go to the power options and select max battery in windows.
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post #26 of 33
1/27/07 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by KraxKill
No I just go to the power options and select max battery in windows.
Thx. I turned off NHC and did another 3Dmark06 run, virtually no change. I've left it off and set Power Mgt to Balanced via Dell Quickset. Monitoring it in RMClock (monitor mode only) it seems to throttle satisfactorily.
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post #27 of 33
1/28/07 at 1:59am
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Originally Posted by KraxKill
@timebomb, everytime I see your GPU OCing settings, I can't help but confirm the theory that the 7950 is just a higher clocked 7900GS/GTX. You have your core at 640, I haven't been able to get it to run stable at that clock but was able to push the mem to 850 so maybe. Is you GPU voltage increased/unervolted? With the extra room I have as far as temps are concerned in games would upping the stock voltage a few tenths of a volt help? Actualy now that I think about it I don't think it's possible as NiBitTor only let's me set it at 1.32, stock voltage and no higher.


KraxKill,

Most people on the forums would agree that a 7950GTX is just an overclocked 7900GTX. The 7900GTX just has more headroom since it wasn't overclocked from the factory like at 7950GTX, but they both end up at about the same max overclocked.

I have the plain vanilla 7900GS with only 256MB of RAM compared to 512mb of the GTX's. The 3DMark05 benchies are usually run at a default resolution of 1024 x 768, but if you were to crank up the resolution to say 1600 x 1200 or higher, the 512mb memory 7900GTX and 7950GTX would kick the 256mb 7900GS's butt. So for benchmark comparison, the GS and GTX could seem about the same, but in real world gaming at higher resolutions, the extra 256mb of RAM helps a lot!

I'm running the 1.24v volt modded, unlocked, memory optimized 7900GTX "790GTXUO.ROM" BIOS from juanlu. So I'm up 1.24v from stock 1v. The 7950GTX is up to 1.32v, but I don't know of anyone pushing it higher. I tried Nibitor myself, but I couldn't find a way to change the default voltages as well.



I just finished running some benchmarks with the Microsoft Dual Core HotFix and /usepmtimer Fix and on my system and for some reason I didn't see any improvement. Probably just different from system to system and depends on what software and settings you're running. But it's a great find and a great fix for those who are having problems with their Dual Core procs!
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post #28 of 33
2/4/07 at 2:36am
how do you change the inf. file in the 84.68 driver?
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post #29 of 33
2/4/07 at 3:02am
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Originally Posted by woodstock
how do you change the inf. file in the 84.68 driver?

I'm assuming you mean 84.69 drivers and you don't need to change the .inf file since they were made Dell XPS laptops.

Here's the direct download from Dell Site.

http://support.us.dell.com/support/d...&fileid=189977
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post #30 of 33
2/4/07 at 4:00am
i gots it already, but thanks for your input. i will try them after i format... dam thing locks up all the time probably because i messed with it so much today
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post #31 of 33
2/11/07 at 7:54am
Hmmm. my 3dmark05 on default got me 9541 :]
But I was having trouble finding ways to overclock it.
Lemme give it a shot and i'll see how it goes.
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post #32 of 33
2/18/07 at 1:22am
Thread Starter 
Well, here is my latest update and a little trick I'm sure the EVERYONE, no matter the Video card, can ejoy.

I just did a complete re-install of XP (bad virus - Don't ASK) I figured with a clean install I might pick up a few 3D Mark 05 points.

Installed everything the way I had it, drivers settings everything. Ran 3dMark 05 and to my dismay, got 10700 marks. I couldn't figure it out. What could have cause a 400 point drop in performance. That's significant.

After futher testing and scull grinding, I figured it out.

In the performance/power management section of you have it set to laptop and or anything other then to Always ON, you will not achieve full performance no matter what the throttling programs tell you.

I tested it and duplicated the results over and over. My theory, is that the internal power mangement, is throttling the CPU in 3dMark when it doesn't need to.

Please someone, try this out I think you will be happy to pick up some performance when plugged in.
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post #33 of 33
2/20/07 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by KraxKill
Well, here is my latest update and a little trick I'm sure the EVERYONE, no matter the Video card, can ejoy.

I just did a complete re-install of XP (bad virus - Don't ASK) I figured with a clean install I might pick up a few 3D Mark 05 points.

Installed everything the way I had it, drivers settings everything. Ran 3dMark 05 and to my dismay, got 10700 marks. I couldn't figure it out. What could have cause a 400 point drop in performance. That's significant.

After futher testing and scull grinding, I figured it out.

In the performance/power management section of you have it set to laptop and or anything other then to Always ON, you will not achieve full performance no matter what the throttling programs tell you.

I tested it and duplicated the results over and over. My theory, is that the internal power mangement, is throttling the CPU in 3dMark when it doesn't need to.

Please someone, try this out I think you will be happy to pick up some performance when plugged in.

I had this problem awhile back. If you do a clean install of XP, the Power Options will default to Portable/Laptop settings if you're installing XP on your XPS or any laptop. Portable/Laptop setting will lower your SpeedStep clock settings to help you conserve battery life even if you are plugged.

Home/Office or Always On will keep your CPU on MAX, which is what you you want anyways if you're plugged in.

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