Sager needs a kick up the ass - Page 2  

outsourcing?

Not everybody is a rocket scientist and anyway they get laid off more than most. Most people in the job force are just normal people who get up and slog down to the plant to assemble, dissassemble, weld, glue, sew, pack and other sundry seemingly dull activities to put some bread on the table. There was a program a few years back to install passive interrogation technology in supermarkets. That's where a type of radar reaches out and scans the shopping cart automatically billing your account...thereby eliminating the need for 18 million single women with two children. Whoa...great technology except that it created a need to do something with a pretty large chunk of people. Walmart comes in and destroys all those little mom and pop outlets thereby consolodating a healthy distributed economic base into one large minimum wage paying center. Of course, 90% of all the product is produced somewhere else and naturally the bulk of the money goes there to pay for it. H/P runs it's service out of India. GE does the same. All those paychecks are OUTSIDE the USA. Really the most wonderful foreign aid package ever. Those honest, deserving hard working individuals are investing in their countries. Back at home the jobs are drying up and prices are increasing. Why even the national parks system has been instructed to start cutting services. Salaries seek the lowest level ie: why pay you 13.50/hr when it can get done for 1.35/hr somewhere else? The huge bulk of working stiffs get stiffed by poor management of manufacturing and labor resources. Sure we get quality product at fantastic prices. Today. As those countries absorb a more expensive lifestyle their costs go up and they have to raise prices to keep afloat. Unfortuneately we can't compete because the factories and facilities, even the educational programs to commence a coherent competitive response.....faded away long ago.

Globalization eventually balances itself out. Even your statements support this argument. Foreign countries are receiving investments and jobs from the US. Eventually their prices, living standards, and cost-of-living goes up. Wages close in to the levels of the US, companies lose advantage of out-sourcing. It all works out...

Yes, but right now, monthly wages for programmers in India are on the order of $400/month (as compared to $2000-8000/mo in the USA).

So, yes, it'll even out, but it takes a LONG time (on the order of decades -- plural). In the interim, the US job market suffers.

There were over 336,000 new jobless last week. and that's the LOWEST weekly jobless number since Bush took office. And there are more than 3 MILLION people on the continuing claims rolls (all figures taken directly from US labor reports issued this week). And that doesn't even take into account those whose support has expired and have dropped off the continuing claims rolls.

hmm i ordered from pctorque and changed my order via email and got a response in 20 min from them. Guess I got lucky.

i don't understand why people don't understand basic economics and feel like these companies are doing something wrong!

all they are doing is operating in a free market. their outsourcing is a balancing of the world economy, why should we be the only rich nation? now, this is an EXCELLENT model for why rich people try to get richer, they don't want to lose money and no longer be rich

we have to get competitive by lowering our prices if we want to stay competitive with outside firms. Otherwise, just buy products that say "Made in USA", and this includes computers!

Actually Kid,

Our business leaders export "things" outside of the country to capitilize on cheap labor. Sager, on the other hand, imports cheap labor so that they can capitilize on being a U.S. Company. Not a "bash" against Sager as it happens with a lot of other companies. This "Cheap Labor" is often much better off here than where they came from.... Some real graphic examples are "Tong and Cosa Nostra or Manni Nero".

On a "twist" a laugh by the "Sager Folks" might not be an insult; but rather, a way of stating "Dude, that's THE machine". Cultural differances are odd and can actually cause wars because of misunderstandings. Take "Bad", for example, (or the British "Jolly Good") and see if that is "good, great, or awful" if the person hearing it is not American.

I say, give'm a break, speak slowly, and be patient..

omaha, that's exactly my point. they are exporting jobs because it is cheaper for them. we must lower our prices to stay competitive. granted we are unable to lower to the levels that they are in other countries now, but in a perfect economy, it would balance out.

as for sager, one could make the argument that they are not importing cheap labor, since they are purchasing machines from a non-american ODM in mass quantity. i'm sure there are american ODM's

as for people saying, "speak 'american'", our english is not the way it was originally spoken. if you can't understand their accent, then say that. but don't say "i want someone who fvckin speaks english", because i feel that is just as bad as any racist remarks.

There's a difference between being able to pronounce words in a language ("being able to understand an accent"), and the ability to comprehend what one is saying, and what is being said to one.

I have no problem with the former. I have a fairly big problem with service people who have difficulties in the latter: If the phone droid can't comprehend what is being said (not "they can't understand the words", but rather, "they don't grasp the concepts being conveyed"), then they are unsuited to the task.

In short, people should stop hiding behind the spectre of racism every time someone incapable of performing their duties is encountered, just because that person is of a different nationality. Incompetence comes in all forms. It just so happens that in the realm of voice-only communications (and, to a lesser extent, written communication), subpar competence correlates with being of foreign extraction. It's not a negative statement against that person; certainly, they're trying their best. But someone should be held responsible for placing someone who lacks the skills necessary into that position.

The recipient of that blame is the company, and their hiring practices.

mcl, i am making the distinction of when a person is able to speak the language, but because they speak it with an accent, people assume that they "can't speak english"

when that phrase is used with someone who keeps repeating "i am job", it is applicable. when it is used with someone who says something like "velcome to tha vunderrrful verld of videos" or like that, it is racist. now don't take what i wrote for it's literal meaning, i'm talking about someone who isn't reading from a script, but someone who is talking but with an accent.


I believe american express has outsourced their CSR, and i think their service is GREAT! it sounds like the people have indian accents and there is a delay, but they speak with an english that is more british than ours, and are very ADEPT at doing all required tasks.

i'm not 100% that they have outsourced, but if they have, they are a model for the practice IMO.


p.s. racist might not be the applicable word, but it's the closest i can think of.

kidVI, where do you work?

I used to work for desktop support for a university, used to work for the applications group of the university, used to work in DC at a retirement corporation as an oracle developer

i currently don't work because i'm pursuing school full time

Highjacking?

Well since were threadcapping\highjacking this poor guys thread

I think we should have nuked the japanese homeland below the freakin waterline when we had the chance! A small payback for the batan death march and other maltreatment of all my bro. grunt POW's. Now take a bite out of that S#*t sandwich.....huh

r u serious? if so, then what about the trail of tears?

nukes are bad.

Cry me a river

Better for them to cry then the poor white, european, inbred, racist, wagon train driving, tobacco chewing, redneck motherfu@kers. Or how about this... "those with the most guns wins".

Racism is good, and i'm a black man, so...................take another bite of that ****ty sandwich
Bring back the draft right after high school men & the freakin women. 3 yrs manatory active service then 4 yrs active reserve. Go to college after your 3 yr stint.

I've seen you kind before kidVi you talk out both sides of your college liberal mouth. You say I like everyone, racism is bad, then in the next breath when you speak of a black person you say..."you know so & so", and the person your speakin to says no?, you say "yea you do that BLACK guy\gal". Do you describe a "WHITE" persons skin color...no. Or you will say the mexican, or the Asian. Heh Heh like I said cry me a freakin river. Or perhaps your out with you little signs protesting this or that war. Letting the poor and under educated fight your battles, like they always have through out history. From the civil war to he present.

Or get this...perhaps we need another civil war in this country, between the Liberals & the Right. You know to clean out the bad blood. Who would win? I put my money on those poor, under educated, black, white, Brown, people who have all that good Infantry training. Fighting the conflicts for all those whimpy Liberals.