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802.11 N Internal Card

post #1 of 24
1/20/07 at 6:44pm
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Now that draft N is out I was wanting to upgrade my internal card to the new draft N card that is available on the Dell website. Does anyone have the part number for the internal 802.11N card for an E1705?

THANKS!
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post #2 of 24
1/20/07 at 9:14pm
To add on to this, not trying to steal the thread, but people who could answer here could probably answer my question. I just wanted to know when Draft N would finally turn to just Wireless N and be totally regulated. I just wanted to know because for my next system, I'll definitely be using N because obviously, I want 300Mbps instead of 54Mbps
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post #3 of 24
1/20/07 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by pdonket
To add on to this, not trying to steal the thread, but people who could answer here could probably answer my question. I just wanted to know when Draft N would finally turn to just Wireless N and be totally regulated. I just wanted to know because for my next system, I'll definitely be using N because obviously, I want 300Mbps instead of 54Mbps


Technically the deadline for 802.11N standards are not due untill April 2008. But Netgear and Cisco recently announced that they did not see any future changes for N, that the standard had already been set and they would go ahead and begin releasing equipment in Jan. '07. And this is what they both did.
According to their reports, the standard has already been set, it just is not due to be finalized until next year, but since they already established a standard they don't see any reason to wait a year.

Anything released this month by Netgear and Linksys is N gear. It is not pre-N. It is the real shit. And they claim that the standard being released with the gear this month will not change. Since these guys are members of the forum that sets the standards then I'm ok with trusting that.

I'm looking to go with the Linksys N gaming router.
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post #4 of 24
1/20/07 at 9:42pm
Looks like a beast, however I think I'll wait until price drops since those seem to be premiering at about $300 (I saw that baby at CES2007) Should be awesome....300Mbps will be incredible in terms of gaming, not sure why we need it....but still lol, at least I know I can game easily with Wireless G.
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post #5 of 24
1/20/07 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by pdonket
Looks like a beast, however I think I'll wait until price drops since those seem to be premiering at about $300 (I saw that baby at CES2007) Should be awesome....300Mbps will be incredible in terms of gaming, not sure why we need it....but still lol, at least I know I can game easily with Wireless G.

Not quite that high by the time it hits Best Buy. They had them for $130. Amazon was $150, and a couple others had it for retail at $200.
But I'm not spending the money till I can get an internal N card for my laptop because I'm not going to see the speed benefits of an N router if my internal card is still a G.
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post #6 of 24
1/20/07 at 11:13pm
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Originally Posted by RoofusX
Not quite that high by the time it hits Best Buy. They had them for $130. Amazon was $150, and a couple others had it for retail at $200.
But I'm not spending the money till I can get an internal N card for my laptop because I'm not going to see the speed benefits of an N router if my internal card is still a G.

Indeed
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post #7 of 24
1/22/07 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by pdonket
Looks like a beast, however I think I'll wait until price drops since those seem to be premiering at about $300 (I saw that baby at CES2007) Should be awesome....300Mbps will be incredible in terms of gaming, not sure why we need it....but still lol, at least I know I can game easily with Wireless G.

Hey pdonket,

That 300 Mbps speed would only be available to computers on just the local LAN side and not internet online gaming right? It really wouldn't make much of a difference with online game such as Guild Wars, World Of Warcraft, ect.
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post #8 of 24
1/22/07 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by 411sponge
Hey pdonket,

That 300 Mbps speed would only be available to computers on just the local LAN side and not internet online gaming right? It really wouldn't make much of a difference with online game such as Guild Wars, World Of Warcraft, ect.


Well it should make a difference. The speed from your modem through your router over the air to your puter would be way slower than what your router would be transmitting at N speeds. In addition, the gaming version prioritizes upstream traffic. Meaning your sent information should arrive at a server a hair faster. If that is a split second trigger pull in an FPS or getting a spell off in WoW or FFXI, etc to beat a mob before it kills you, then I guess you can argue that it's worth it.

But again, if you don't have the N card in your machine, its not going to matter.
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post #9 of 24
1/22/07 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by RoofusX
Well it should make a difference. The speed from your modem through your router over the air to your puter would be way slower than what your router would be transmitting at N speeds. In addition, the gaming version prioritizes upstream traffic. Meaning your sent information should arrive at a server a hair faster. If that is a split second trigger pull in an FPS or getting a spell off in WoW or FFXI, etc to beat a mob before it kills you, then I guess you can argue that it's worth it.

But again, if you don't have the N card in your machine, its not going to matter.



Unless you have your own personal T1 line, it won't make ANY difference for online gaming. Since the average user gtes about 6mbps, with some getting the higher speeds of 10mbps, and a 802.11g connection is capable of 54mbps, the only difference the N gear would make for online gaming, is that you would get good speeds at your neighbours house. You can only go as fast as the slowest link in the chain, and when you are accessing the internet, that link is your modem speed. For transfers to and from computers on the local network, it will definetly help, such as maybe at a network gaming competition where you go to a hall or something and connect wirelessly to a local lan.
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post #10 of 24
1/22/07 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by kilroy M170
Unless you have your own personal T1 line, it won't make ANY difference for online gaming. Since the average user gtes about 6mbps, with some getting the higher speeds of 10mbps, and a 802.11g connection is capable of 54mbps, the only difference the N gear would make for online gaming, is that you would get good speeds at your neighbours house. You can only go as fast as the slowest link in the chain, and when you are accessing the internet, that link is your modem speed. For transfers to and from computers on the local network, it will definetly help, such as maybe at a network gaming competition where you go to a hall or something and connect wirelessly to a local lan.


That's what I was thinking as well. On a side note, my friend bought a D-Link gaming router and she loves it! I guess the router prioritizes any streaming type of data (whther its online videos, or games). She had an old Linksys and it would contantly buffer video and now she doesn't have that problem at all.
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post #11 of 24
1/28/07 at 11:08pm
A word of warning, my notebook has the Draft N card in it, and the drivers *suck*. The notebook randomly refuses to connect to wireless networks (802.11g), even though they're shown with perfect signal strength. It just won't connect to them.

It also gives no indication of failure, so if you enter the wrong encryption key, it won't TELL you, you just have to wonder why it isn't connecting (It doesn't even tell you it's TRYING to connect, all you know is that you're not connected to anything).

If you want my opinion, unless you need 802.11n support, get the Intel 802.11g card, they've got much better drivers.
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post #12 of 24
1/29/07 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Guspaz
A word of warning, my notebook has the Draft N card in it, and the drivers *suck*. The notebook randomly refuses to connect to wireless networks (802.11g), even though they're shown with perfect signal strength. It just won't connect to them.

It also gives no indication of failure, so if you enter the wrong encryption key, it won't TELL you, you just have to wonder why it isn't connecting (It doesn't even tell you it's TRYING to connect, all you know is that you're not connected to anything).

If you want my opinion, unless you need 802.11n support, get the Intel 802.11g card, they've got much better drivers.

Thanks for the heads-up!
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post #13 of 24
1/29/07 at 9:19pm
I download at 700kb/s at max on my Verizon FiOS... which is about as fast as you can get with most consumer ISPs.

Unless you got T1 or extensive home networking, N is absolutely useless.
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post #14 of 24
1/29/07 at 11:46pm
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Originally Posted by Guspaz
A word of warning, my notebook has the Draft N card in it, and the drivers *suck*. The notebook randomly refuses to connect to wireless networks (802.11g), even though they're shown with perfect signal strength. It just won't connect to them.

It also gives no indication of failure, so if you enter the wrong encryption key, it won't TELL you, you just have to wonder why it isn't connecting (It doesn't even tell you it's TRYING to connect, all you know is that you're not connected to anything).

If you want my opinion, unless you need 802.11n support, get the Intel 802.11g card, they've got much better drivers.



If you have an Atheros Card and there latest drivers it should be rock solid.

Don't use dell's OLD drivers.
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post #15 of 24
2/6/07 at 12:41am
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Originally Posted by ForceCalibur
I download at 700kb/s at max on my Verizon FiOS... which is about as fast as you can get with most consumer ISPs.

Unless you got T1 or extensive home networking, N is absolutely useless.

True, Honestly, the only real point of Wireless N is longer distance to speed ratios.
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post #16 of 24
2/6/07 at 8:06pm
You might want to wait till it is a little more updated. I got it right away and got a router with it and ever since I wiped my computer because of a virus I have been getting half the speed I have had before and after about 20 mins it disconnects me and says that it is still connected but it isn't.
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post #17 of 24
2/6/07 at 8:59pm
Is the Draft N Mini PCI card available with the Inspiron 1501? Got a part # from your build sheet Bossman?
I'm assuming this is the standard Mini PCI card form factor...also, BossMan, could you verify how many snap in antenna connectors this card has?
Thx.

Dazog - got a part # and/or a vendor for the Atheros N Mini PCI card? Also, info about antenna connectors etc. would be great.

Vista compatible, either of the above two cards?
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post #18 of 24
2/6/07 at 10:13pm
I guess, let me start by asking - whats the difference between a mini PCI card (like the 1450) & a mini PCI-E card (like the 1490)...?
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post #19 of 24
2/6/07 at 10:57pm
The 1490 is a higher number so obviously its better.

Seriously though I dont know. I'm just here to ask if anyone has an idea on how soon the commercial public will switch over...for instance, businesses and (especially for me) colleges.


Granted I may not be able to max out a G network, I'd still like to have the N capabilities if it is only $30 more when building a laptop..but not if within 6 years, universities dont start using N
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post #20 of 24
2/6/07 at 11:43pm
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Originally Posted by BossMan
You might want to wait till it is a little more updated. I got it right away and got a router with it and ever since I wiped my computer because of a virus I have been getting half the speed I have had before and after about 20 mins it disconnects me and says that it is still connected but it isn't.

The number is 430-1780

And for you other question. I think your asking about the 2 wires that you connect to the wireless router which is right under your backspace key. One is white the other is black...all you should have to do is connected them to the right color.
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