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Dell XPS m1710 7600G with water cooling!!!!!!!

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
No no it's not yet operational, but it is possible. In my case, I wanted to figure out a way to cool the CPU which is OCd to 3.17Ghz. The problem is that at full 100% load when doing video rendering the CPU throttles down to 2.6Ghz if the temperature exceeds 81C. This issue with the 7600G was only discovered by me and mcBane another poster on this board about a week ago. We have tried to come up with viable solutions to the issue, but none were forthcoming other then simple laptop coolers that are out on the market.

The problem never occurs in casual use situations or even during gaming as the temp on my CPU hardly ever goes above 74C and there usually is enough of a buffer that even at 100% cpu usage, it take quite some time to heat the core enough to exceed 81C and cause a throttle down at which point the CPU almoast instantly drops back below the threshold and throttles back up to 3.1Ghz. So for those rare and brief instances that the CPU does throttle down (not that you would ever notice it), I wanted to create a solution that was possible for a do it yourselfer to do and not unsightly. It also would have to be an addition to the current cooling solution and NOT a replacement.

After some time on the internet, looking at ways that I could cool out the notebook, I think I have a solution that would look good and not void the warrenty well, that's a broad statement.

The cooling solutinon would require a new CPU Thermal-Cooling Assembly (I hope these can be ordered from Dell) as it would have to be modefied in order to work.

Pic of the factory cpu themal-cooling assembly


and the back side that touches the cpu core


Now I found a product on the net that is a nice neat little setup that would not look too crazy next to the machine....

It's the EverCool Mini Water Cooler


Here is a full review of the product

Now, the stock waterblock that attaches to the CPU would be too thick to use as the connections for it are on top of the block. You would need something much slimmer then the block that comes with the unit.

So, I went and tried to find the smallest water block that I could find. Something that would have a chance of fitting. What I came up with were these two units that I use in place of the stock unit that comes with the mini cooler.

The first one (I think you're going to like this) is

Specifications:

Model CHC-35-D06
Materials High Density Copper, 21k Gold Plating
Tubing Size, ID 1/4" (6mm)
Dimensions:WxHxD (w/ bracket) 2.1" x 1.7" x 0.63" (5.3cm x 4.4cm x 1.6cm)
Product Weight 3.5 ounces (99g)

The dimentions include the mounting bracket, which you wouldn't be using as you would attach it differently I will explain my idea in a bit.





And or this unit which is as follows

Specifications

Model CHC-A05
Materials High Density Copper, 21k Gold Plating (top/inside)
Tubing Size, ID 1/4" (6mm)
Product Dimensions WxHxD 1.6" x 0.69" x 1" (4.1cm x 1.8cm x 2.5cm)
Product Weight 2.1 ounces (60g)




Now we could just replacew the thermal assembly with this unit alone, and just use water cooling only, however I don't wan't to not be able to use the laptop without the water cooling. It would be nice to have the water cooling as just an option for additional cooling when necessery. The only way to do that is to leave the Dell factory thermal-cooling assembly in place.

I don't wan't to have it be a water cooled only laptop, as this makes it a desktop. What I came up with is that you would buy a separate thermal cooling assembly from dell for the CPU that can be replaced incase things go wrong, it doesn't work, or you need to make a warrenty claim.

Ok what you would have to do, is cut off the X part out of the stock cooling assembly and replace it with one of the water blocks above. Basicly splice and replace, you can use welding or solder the left and right peices of the heat pipe (the radiator and the heat pipe that goes off to the left) back onto the assembly and effectively maintain the stock thermal cooling just with a water block instead of the stock X pad. With AS5 i don't think that passively without the water hoocked in it would cool any less then the stock system and ofcource we would check.

Then obviously you have to design where you would wan't the water lines to exit out of the laptop. I was thking they could run around the fans and exit next to the LED lights on the side. You could just have the connectors pertrude slightly out of the machine and use caps to cut off any water that my be in the system when you take the laptop on the go.

So there you have it an astheticaly pleasing looking system that can be made operational for less then $150 I however don't konw if I wan't to tackle the project yet as I haven't seen any issues gaming or just using the system only on very CPU intensive aps and even then the problem is rare. So I'm content on leaving it be for now.

What do you think?
post #2 of 14
Looks pretty cool to me and it also looks feasible at first glance.
post #3 of 14
Wow, this seems like a cool idea. You got a good idea, even if you can't get it to work.
post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
Oh, I know I can get it to work, the biggest challenge, is fitting the waterblock and even that is a size issue. I'm stil looking for an even smaller water block. I belive either one of these would fit, but a smaller 1/8 inch tubing one would be the ideal answer. I would use coolant instead of water as well. Better thermal efficiancy. Will see, maybe I will try it.
post #5 of 14
Just about any water cooling you do will require a large external radiator to be efficient enough to make sense... this in itself would be a limiting factor in keeping the machine mobile. Also, there is certainly not much room for tube routing and such as you have probably noticed. If you search a bit on the topic of water cooling in the 17" section, somebody had a long post about the options quite sometime ago. If anything it may be good for some research. I am not saying you can't make it happen, but I think in the end it will end up being to large to make it practical.

I understand what you are saying about making the heatpipe passively cool when you don't have the water pump hooked up... I think it would take an exceptional amount of precision to make it work well enough to be efficient, and on top of that wouldn't it get rather messy having to uncouple the hoses everytime you want to go mobile?
post #6 of 14
i think the ideal way to make this work would be:
1. you need to drill holes thru the fins of the current system in our m1710's
2. you would need to get tubing to run thru the holes you just drilled
3. fabricate the connectors to the tubing you ran thru those holes drilled in the cooling fins.
i think this could be done easily. however, i also think that the GPU needs to be included in the circulation.

Eddie
post #7 of 14
Build a desktop computer. Makes more sense to me. You're basically taking a very expensive laptop here and making it into a desk-ridden machine. It's not going to move off the desk any longer after making it water cooled.

It's a neat idea and all, but I just can't see myself spending that much money on a laptop and basically making it into a desktop (which you can build for nearly half the price).
post #8 of 14
I tried it the first month i had my e1705, i can say i used cooper tubes for icemakers as a radiator, and it worked great, it was all internal, but after realizing that it was pointless (no need for watercooling on my current t7400 + 7900gs i just switched back. I recomend to use a little fishing tank pump, since normal ones wont fit inside the laptop. Goodluck woth yours!
post #9 of 14
why not just make a small form factor computer?
post #10 of 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickster
why not just make a small form factor computer?
I agree, I really don't see a point to this. At 2.8GHZ, you have the preformace of a X6700 in a complete mobile platform that weights less than 10 lbs that can rival almost any desktop out there. I see your idea, but imo its just not worth it.
post #11 of 14
Yep....once again agree, but on the other hand, it's quite cool that it's possible. Most people that are into tech try to push the limits of what is possible, they are not going for practical.
post #12 of 14
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Yes, I realize, that it's not realy practical, and the fact that it's running stable at 3.17ghz right now as I'm typing this, is good enough for me. Again, to make a point the CPU hardly ever throttles down, as it takes quite a lot of abuse to make it hit 81C and F.E.A.R, HL2, 3DMark 05 and 06, and even Sony Vegas rendering, all run without a hitch and without throtle downs even with the current cooling option so it's not like i'm unhappy, don't get me wrong...

I just wanted to point out that water cooling a laptop is infact possible. I'm the kind of guy that wants to push everything to the limit whatever it may be, laptop, desktop whatever... so this was just an idea I had, that I thought would be fun to share..

Unfortunatly, it is in fact the current stability of the CPU and the fact that there is no more room for overclocking it as the mutliplier is maxed out at 19X, that is making me shy away from completing the project. If there was a posibility for further overclocking or improvement of some sort, I would bring this project to life. unfortunalty I think it's going to have to stay as is. I have been very happy with the m1710 and the fact that dell bit the bullet and allowed overclocking on it's 7600G version of the Core 2 Duo has been great.

Given the current stability of the system as it sits right now, the water cooling is realy not a nessecety but more of a novelty. Just something new that could be tried if the need arose in the future.....

Thanks for all your replies!

P.S. It's 1am here and I just got home from a night out....kinda drunk....about to go at it with a round of F.E.A.R on the rig..LOL
post #14 of 14

i like your idea! a lot of time has past since this post and a lot of new ideas out there and yea its more for the fun of it....im gonna do it

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